Do not use cheats on DEV server.

[puremix]

Do not use cheats on DEV server. They have cheat detectors that can see the size of your .u files and maybe even look inside you computer. Cheaters have been getting ban left and right there.:dead:

[Machiko]

dev servers? does it come up as that on the list? How can you tell if you're on a dev team server

[puremix]

the dev server will say "dev" in the description

[AAOKiller]

Here's some new info from the AA forums. The dev's do have some sort of anti cheat system in place. They can actually take a screenshot of your AA systems folder and send it to you as proof they have found that you've modified Americas Army so watch out for devs!

-- "I was on the WC_SE dev server last night with Abraxas when Pugz came in... almost right away Abraxas said "Pugz, why are you playing with a modified Agp.u ??"

It was Agp, not Engine..

Pugz didnt answer him, Abraxas then said "You have alot of nerve trying that crap on a Dev Server", still Pugz didn't say anything... Abraxas then proceeded to kick him and announced to the rest of us.. "Excuse me, I have to go ban an account" LMAO..it was the funniest thing I have ever seen..

Actually 2 other guys game in while I was there, one with a modified Engine.U and another Agp.U...they were both kicked and banned too... All I can say is that the DEvs seem to have some reliable way to detect modifications to the core game files...

I really don't see what possible download could have changed the game files without these guys knowing it since the only files you need to download are the official AA patches or AAIRC which everyone runs with no problems..

So my stance on this situation is that these guys were using modified files whether they knew it or not.. and Modified Agp or Engine U. files can allow someone to have modified values that give them all those hacks being discussed like sniper scoped weapons, no breathing, perfect accuracy, no fog etc..

If Pugz or anyone else claims to be innocent, proving it is simple... just send us a link to some program that isn't a hack, that you downloaded and changed your game values without you knowing, also send it to the devs.. if it is an honest program and it does change the AA files.. the devs will see it and unban you..

Better yet... don;t re-install your game or do anything.. leave it exactly as it was last night and you can do a ICQ transfer to the devs...

if you are innnocent, then they will be able to get the same modified message that Abraxas did last night and they will be able to decipher all the files that you have and find out what was altered..if the altered file gives you perfect accuracy or sniper scoped weapons than there is no way you didnt know abouit it.. if the modified files dont give you any cheats... then they have a bug that they have to deal with and you will be in the clear..

Now if the game files that you send them show no Modified Agp.u message at all, then you have sent a fresh batch of files, not the ones you were using last night..

I really hope Abraxas was wrong and I would love for you to prove that you are innocent, but from his point of view, modified files identify those not playing fair.."

[spooky]

welll,,, i dont think so,,,but maybe,,,

1. if they are able to caprure a 'snapshot" of your game folder then they are in for a lot of trouble because if they do it without your permission they have broken the law. I hope they try that crap on me and send me the picture. I would love to lodge a complaint and swear out a warrant at the federal da's office for their arrest. When this happens there will not be any more homelan cause i will own them after the ensuing arrests and disclosing their plots to spy on american citizens to the public at large. Do you think for one minute that the US Army or any government agency will have anything to do with a contractor who works for them who spys on this countries citizens?

2. So what if you send the the files. All ya gotta do is when you install the game, play it a few times without the hacks, then go into the game folder and rename the files to for example agp.usav, then put your hacked files in and play away. Then if they want you to send them the game files, you take the renamed files, rename them back, play the game once in single player and then send them the files. They will receive the original files with all the correct time stamping and everything in them, untouched and pristene. the files will show that they have been played when they are exmined and no hacks will be evident..


however to fully shed light on the situation here is a post from the very person who your post says got banned - this is from the aa forum where he post an email from the devs explaining this:

"Quote:
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On 2002-12-28 20:18:33, [MiB]-Eem wrote:

Having said that, perhaps the DEVs can actually tell if the engine_u has been modified?
Someone posted a screen shot of Abraxas busting a cheat.
I'd like to see that if again if someone has it pls it post again.



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it was a "screen shot" of me getting banned by abraxas for in his words "using a modified agp.u file"....all I can say is bull...I don't CHEAT!

just to answer in my defence...I was in contact with another DEV about this cheating crap and I am attaching a copy of the email i sent to him about it::::::
__________________________________________________ ________________
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:23:54 -0500
From:(edited)<*******@americasarmy.com>
Subject: Re: Important FYI....!!!!!
To: pugz <puggzz@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-to:(edited)<@@@@@@@americasarmy.com>
Organization: Army Game Project
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000
Original-recipient: rfc822;puggzz@xxxxxxxxxxx


Joe,

Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do besides monitor the servers and ban cheaters. Most of these hacks operate between the game engine and the video card, where we have no control (it's run by DirectX). Fog settings are run by the video cards, and actually are optional on almost every video card made. We are changing encryption for every patch and increasing the security of the code as we go, in hopes that this will slow down the distribution of cheats (i.e., who will want to cheat if they have to wait two weeks for a new cheat after each patch, then the cheat is only good for a couple of weeks until a new patch comes out?). We can't crack down on foreign webhosts (although, in my opinion, we should get the host governments to crack down, since this is, in effect, hacking a US Government system from their country) but we can hit domestic hackers pretty hard. The best tool we have for finding these people is still #AGA, and the stupidity of the cheaters themselves to post thier info in the forums.

Thanks for the info.

Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: pugz
To: Chris
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:13 AM
Subject: Important FYI....!!!!!


Hi Chris,
I have been really freaked out since I read a post about cheating by some guy named VVisard on the forum last night, so I went web-spelunking.

Well I think I found one of websites that is causing the problems..ei: spreading the hacks/cheats to anybody that wants them. What do I do with this info...and the files that I got from there, which i have tried early this morning and they work.

I am really pissed off about this and got even madder when I shut off my fog and then while I was just hiding and looking around got shot by a player clear on the other side of the bridge...so I guess he had fog shut off also. I really dislike this cheating that is going on the "official servers"...cheating while playing a single player game is fine, nobody should be able to tell a person that they cant cheat against the computer, but cheating against real people is WRONG.

So what do I do next ....who do I contact...any ideas?????

I have already reverted back to my orig setup and have stored the files and links for the proper people to receive from me...if anybody cares.

Thanks for your time,
Joe (puggzz)

ps....this is a good way to catch real cheaters!!!!!
_________________________________________________

that was in version 1.4 and all I did was observe and get killed...so I gained nothing but the knowledge of how the cheat looked. it was done and then removed(the whole installation of AA was removed and reinstalled) and then upgraded to 1.5!!!

NOBODY HAS EVER CONTACTED ME FOR THE WEBSITE ADDRESS OR THE FILES OR EVEN THE FILE NAMES!!!

I don't know what else I can say in this forum to clear my name or to prove that i dont cheat.

as for the incident last night when i joined the server somebody got kicked just before I got killed and all the DEV smoochers were laughing about it...when the next round started abraxas said to me "why are you using a modified agp file" and I said "who me" and I was kicked and banned from all servers in one swoop.

AGAIN FOR THOSE WITH HARD HEADS AND INFANTILE MENTALITIES I DO NOT CHEAT !!!!!



[ This Message was edited by: Pugz on 2002-12-28 21:59:51 ]"


I have taken out the email address in the post. the emails are communication between a dev at AA and the person who got kicked and banned. The thread is located on the aa forum at:

xxx.americasarmy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=37686&forum=15&start=60


In effect this says that the AA folks can't do anything about it. plain and simple". It wasn't a screen shot of anyones game dir. It was a screen shot of someone getting kicked. I love the part about " in effect, hacking a US Government system from their country) but we can hit domestic hackers pretty hard. ". there is no server being hacked here. The dev even said so where he said "Most of these hacks operate between the game engine and the video card, where we have no control". The effects of the hacks are client side ( your computer) plain and simple, you are not changing or modifying anything on the server at all thus no "hacking of government servers" is happening. the game is free, paid for by tax payer money and is essentially in the public domain because of this. As long as you do not redistribute any portion of it without permission you haven't done anything wrong. You can change any portion of it that you wish as long as its for your personal use, used on your computer, and you do not redistribute it. Thats the truth and thats the law. these are just scare tacticts that are being used.

[SecretSquirrel]

Exactamundo, You got it nailed buddy. They can't do jack to anyone foreign or domestic. Any legal action for the hacks that have thus far been done, can not be punished without serious counter suites. The only ones that have broken the law so far is the homelan devs.

[puremix]

OK I just got banned from Dev server =D, they dont just look at .u files, the evil hack used to work there, but it doesnt anymore. I only had evil hack on, they scanned it and i was clean, but the next day they saw it

[WhoopAzzSoHard]

Yep it's true. Version 1.6 is comin this month and all officials will have detector on.
Un-officials wont,of course, get it.


Damn, should i pick one of my accounts too and go test it in DEV server....Ah maybe ill go. AT least other player there will get good laugh ;-)

Now the one thing im wonderin how long will it take from some1 to hack that detector too.........:bandit:

[WhoopAzzSoHard]

yeah i forgot. U know reason i wanted to get cheats on this game is that we dont have servers in europe too. Those americans have such huge advantage with pings like 80 that no cheat can ever beat that.

Ok maybe bot in every map but atleast closequarters is unfair when guy with ping more than 300 (like me) cant actually see where Opfor is cuz he aint where laggy guy sees him. I tested with one friend on unofficial where i had ping 50 and he had ping 250 and aimbot (and other stuff) on and he had no chance killin me. i just kept movin he never hit.

heh funny is that i was allways wonderin how come i allways lose fight even against m16 when i had SAw but once i curiously tried unofficial....HOOAH 5 bullets to kill not 50 HOOAH.

So as long as i have to play on US servers i will cheat soo hard.


Ok time to get banned on DEV server ;)

[WhoopAzzSoHard]

Oh i almost forgot. As soon as some1 has more accurate info on that i'd like to hear it ASAP.

Cuz im pretty f....in sure it checks more than filesize and date.....hehe

[Machiko]

i'll stop playing the game at that point then. Besides I actually am working with a few good friends on possibly making a TC out of the game and making it a WHOLE lot better then a mere recruitement tool it is now. I only do the model end but first thing I'm doing is a female model and my stuff is alot better then that low poly AA stuff. they can't model or map worth $hit. How come when Verant tried to scan a users EQ folder they got stopped because it was illegal yet it'll be "ok" for AA? That's messed up.

[SPINEBUSTER]

Another thing I thought of that I didnt see mentioned yet. Can they detect your cheats if you have the aao manager and you have all your cheats disabled. Im not using the manager so im not worried about it. Just wanted to throw something out there.

My 2 cents

[puremix]

no they cant

[Machiko]

i need to get my ip removed from some servers So i can play again. I want to kill the non cheaters who camp and talk that nasty army talk . How do I do that again? Is it reinstalling ?

[SPINEBUSTER]

Everytime i reformatted it changed my ip.

[Machiko]

i'm not reformatting my enitre pc for one game though. besides when I bouht a breand new pc 3 times last year (thats regular for me) i got the same ip all the time. I've had the same ip since the end of the end of 2001 and I've had about 4 pcs since then and my service even went down for an entire weekend and came up and still the same ip. I've tried renewing it etc all the stuff you read about on various sites - that stuff don't work. Obviosuly it wrote something to my files, my firewall caught something right when i got banned where prior there was nothing. I don't know what it did or if that was just something else. I just need to get back into mot of the servers again ,ie remove the ip ban. Some guy I know did it, but I can't get ahold of him to ask.

[SPINEBUSTER]

Are you running cable? A tribe member of mine told me if your isp supports it you can bring up the command prompt with xp/2k and type ipconfig then type /renew.

[surfrider1]

Are you running cable? A tribe member of mine told me if your isp supports it you can bring up the command prompt with xp/2k and type ipconfig then type /renew.
Tribe elder gave you that advice?
He already said that he tried that and many other things. How about talking real nice, and use some psychology to convince someone at your isp to reset your ip. Tell them "I am being harrassed by hackers who are stealing my identity and putting virii on my comp. If you dont reset my comp. I will call my lawyer, or come over their and do it myself..." Maybe a kinder tone would work better... but I know it can be done.

[spooky]

Some cable ISP's do indeed support the idea that tribe Elder gave you. However most do not. Some times a change of NIC card will allow you to change your IP on cable. Sometimes a cable modem reset thru an extended power down will do the trick. I know on my provider I can change my IP by changing my NIC card. i do it frequently, takes about 5 minutes, but it is a hassel.

the most relaible way is a variation of what surfrider said. The variation is to call your isp and tell them that you are being constantly probed by people intent upon a denial of service attack, or something along these lines. Now for the variation part - dont threaten your isp with legal action or physical harm.

Originally posted by surfrider1

Tribe elder gave you that advice?
He already said that he tried that and many other things. How about talking real nice, and use some psychology to convince someone at your isp to reset your ip. Tell them "I am being harrassed by hackers who are stealing my identity and putting virii on my comp. If you dont reset my comp. I will call my lawyer, or come over their and do it myself..." Maybe a kinder tone would work better... but I know it can be done.

[Machiko]

cabrasafado is the guy who got my one account banned and I had been using the grenades only too. He must die. luckily for me, he has his icq, aim and email posted in his profile on the aa forums. I really hate how I can try to log in on that server with another account and my ip is static so i'm banned still. I need to get past that because he always plays there.

[killer4605]

try connecting through a proxy, or go buy a router. if you have a router you can change your ip to anything you want whenever u want

[Machiko]

where do I buy a router and how much and all that? I tried conencting thru a proxy to a server but its tooooo slow then. My ping onmost servers is 20-80, with a proxy it was like 900

[surfrider1]

try connecting through a proxy, or go buy a router. if you have a router you can change your ip to anything you want whenever u want
How does a router make it so you can change your ip to anything you want? I know you can set the ip for specific computers, but the routers connection to the internet still holds one ip. I can easily switch my computers ip on the router to ex. 192.168.1.101 etc, but thats only for my computer, and not its connection to the net. If my ip was banned changeing my ip to 192.168.1.102 would not change my main ip that the router is using. That doesnt change, especially if you have a static ip. If you find a really good proxy you could go that rout, but I find that many give me a high ping. Previously mentioned methods work though.

[Machiko]

the proxies give me horrible ping and I have a static ip and oh well. I can only play this game at certain places now.

[killer4605]

changing the computer specific ip should essentially work. go in a game and check your ip, it will show you the one the router assigned... i dont know much about networks and such but i like to think of the router as my own personal editable proxy server..

maybe we should perform a test to see if changing the router's assigned ip will have any effects on being banned

[Machiko]

ineed a faster solution. somehow to get my ip changed. i heard theres a trick to get past the ip ban , that it's in the folder somewhere, not sure what file though

[killer4605]

Changing ip is easy without calling your isp. for win 95 to 2000 users click start/ run/ ipconfig. click release all. remove power to your broadband modem for 1 minute and plug modem back in wait for modem to cycle then click renew all. new ip address has been aquired. for Windows xp users click srart/run/cmd. type "ipconfig/release" unplug modem for 1 minute and plug back in. wait for modem to cycle then type "ipconfig/renew". BAM new ip address. this will beat all ip bans

[Machiko]

thanks ill try it. low honor sucks so bad. ill just cheat. i wish there was a way to tell when an admin coems on to look. ill just have to pay attention.

[franky66]

only IP changing won't work

they also ban/delete ur compleet acount

[Machiko]

i made a ton of accounts all the time though with different ips. that part is easy.

[GoatMaster]

Originally posted by killer4605
changing the computer specific ip should essentially work. go in a game and check your ip, it will show you the one the router assigned... i dont know much about networks and such but i like to think of the router as my own personal editable proxy server..

maybe we should perform a test to see if changing the router's assigned ip will have any effects on being banned

You really don't know anything about networking, your router is nothing like a editable proxy server. A router is taking your public IP address (the one that is banned) and giving private IPs to all your computers (usually 192.168.x.x). Now think about this if they were banning your private IP that is being assigned by your router why would other people that own the same router who aren't cheating manage not to be banned. And then why would the people making the game be stupid enough to ban an IP address that you can change when your public IP is there for the taking. Either find a new ISP, get a proxy or hope for a dynamic IP address from your host. I don't know much about making money but I think of my Kellogs box as a personal money printing machine all I have to do is sprinkle sugar on it and out comes dollar bills.

[killer4605]

hmm.. which kellogs are you buying? those are promising results!

[Machiko]

trust no one. I think he was saying he doesn't know $h1t about kellogs and makes up stuff as a joke to you. Who knows? It's not well writen. A bunch of question marks should have been placed after a few sentences not tomentiona few !!! (always 3 never 2 or 4 that's incorrect) and of course some ... (always 3 never 2 or more then 3) and it just lost me there.

[girard747]

wow i lost you

[Machiko]

not you the guy up above there that posted about routers and proxies which I was following along with until some sentences got fuzzy and then the whole Kellogs thing just went over my head.

[SecretSquirrel]

What he's trying to say is if you have a personal broadband router, like a linksys or something, changing your COMPUTER's IP address will do no good. Because the AA servers can't see that IP address anyway. Those routers perform a networking function in which the communication to your computer gets routed from the router's public address (the one assigned by your isp) to your private address and vice versa. The address that AA bans is your router's public ip address. And that is only if they are banning by IP. They could be banning the email address that the accounts were created with. In which case, if you created multiple accounts with that same email address they would all be banned. Or they could be blocking you from specific servers. Not a network wide ban.

If your router gets it's ip via DHCP or BOOTP (protocols which automatically assign ip addresses) then all you have to do is turn your router and modem off for a couple days. Maybe less, depending on your ISP.

Bootp and dhcp lease ip addresses for a limited period of time. Usually 1-3 days. So you have to wait till the lease expires and someone else gets it.

If you are not behind a personal firewall or internet router, then all you have to do is go to a command prompt, type IPconfig /release (on winxp, nt, or 2000), or start run winipcfg, in 98 and click the release all button. Then turn your comp and modem off for a few days.

If you are not on broadband. Just release and turn your comp off for a few days.

If u have a static ip address you will have to request a different one from your isp.

Once your ip is changed you can use a different email to create your new account and your ban is gone.

The only other way to do this is to find an open wingate. I will not explain how that works. but you could use it to create a new account. and it would appear that you are on a different computer. Once your account has been created you can use it from wherever u want. Even a machine who'd ip has already been banned. Cos the account that you are using it from has not. You can use the same account on multiple computers, just not at the same time.

[Machiko]

i need to be up and running everyday. this friday I will be doing a show so I could have my pc down for that day/night, but would need it up by like 1-2 am saturday when i get home. If doing that will change my ip, then sure I will do it.

[surfrider1]

Nice post SecretSquirrel the thread seemed like it was getting to where it would be really confusing if you read through it and didnt know much on the topic.

[SecretSquirrel]

Originally posted by Machiko
the proxies give me horrible ping and I have a static ip and oh well. I can only play this game at certain places now.

Guys, many of you are missing the point. YOu don't necessarily need to play the game with a different ip address. All u need to do is have it changed when you create your new account. You will also need to use a different email address for the new account creation. If you went to your local library, created a hotmail account and sighned up with it, you could go home and play with your new account.

[Machiko]

no no i made a new account i got stealther to work. Made the account, registered it with that program on. Then i took that new account and went on my normal ip to the server i was banned from and guess what? I made accoutns at my work on TONS of machines and STILL when i get home with that new account and play it thru this ip I am banned from most of the servers. A few let me play but anything I played on with devilgrrl account got banned from those servers. I guess they checked my ip against all the servers i play and then banned me across the gametype "board".


Not to mention when the game was FIRST released, i made my main account on a pc with a totally different isp in a different state. I recently tried to use that account on this pc in a different state then the one i created it in, and on a different isp and that account is banned too and i never did anything wrong with it. I think I can connect to a few homelans but nto all of them alot fail auth and say i was banned from that server.

[SecretSquirrel]

try doing an uninstall, then delete ALL your aa related stuff, the whole folder after the uninstall is done, then go get the 1.5 full install and run that. then try it.

[Machiko]

hey I am a banned from the aa site! What the hell.
I need to get to registration. stealther isn't letting me.

[SecretSquirrel]

did you set the proxy in internet explorer to what it said in stealther? should be 127.0.0.1 port 1414 or something. It says on the general tab I think. If not the web site still sees you as being from the same IP

[Machiko]

ya i got that thing running great. I just had my friend make me an account, I logged onto AA with it using squirrels new XML , I tossed alot of greandes - people died, I died some but my score was 160 (which is low for me ...sometimes) and then i got kicked by an admin but not banned. Strange.

hey msn isn't working...i dunno why. GET YM! icq ..something.

[SecretSquirrel]

you might wanna change your playing style a bit. till ppl forget about you being the "crazy nader"

[computer83]

Lol, you know what i love doing?

Playing on moutain pass with teh hacks as defense.
Getting a SAW.
Standing up on the mountain.
Mowing down thier team as they come thru the main Assualt Road.
If any are going Chasm I go further down the mountain untill I can see them.

I can usually kill off thier whole team this way, it's pretty funny to score 200-300 points in a single round.

[surfrider1]

When I play mountain pass the first thing I do is camp a little checking for a player with too high a score using cheats. Then I take my m16 and kill that player with a couple shots too the head. I never use aim adjust or perfect accuracy cause it makes it way too obvious that you are cheating with saw. I dont want too lose my account for being a dumbass... I do like sneaking up on people knowing exactly where they are and scare them with a couple nades. Then take em out. I usually also stay always behind cover when I know someone else is using no fog and accuracy cheat. If they start fireing at me and almost hitting me from accross map only then do I retaliate. If its a sniper i just keep covered but if its an m16 or saw takeing out my team with headshots from accross map i make sure that player dies fast. :)

[SecretSquirrel]

Originally posted by computer83
Lol, you know what i love doing?

Playing on moutain pass with teh hacks as defense.
Getting a SAW.
Standing up on the mountain.
Mowing down thier team as they come thru the main Assualt Road.
If any are going Chasm I go further down the mountain untill I can see them.

I can usually kill off thier whole team this way, it's pretty funny to score 200-300 points in a single round.

This is exactly what i'm talking about. Don't expect any help when u get banned.

[computer83]

rofl, i've been banned several times, but i just create a new account and/or change my IP.

[surfrider1]

Too much of that and the game becomes completely pointless. There is absolutly no skill level involved in killing off the enemy with saw perfect accuracy and 20x zoom in a map like mountain pass. It just fulfills some infantile fantasy. You get too feel like you are someone special who can kill off a bunch of players, many who really want to do good in the game. Go play a roll playing game if you want to feel like your character is someone special. It may be fun to kill off the whole enemy team for you, but its completely stupid for anyone who is trying to maybe turn off some of the cheats and see whether or not they have any actual skill whatsoever in the game. Something elso you could do is just start advertising the cheats to everyone, if everyone had all cheats enebled the game would be something completely different, (CS)... Well that is my two cents.

[Machiko]

grenades are the best... saw its awesome inside the pipeline building though. even if recoil was stronger on that gun ...how could you fail to elimate anyone inside close quarters ? All the hacks are great but since I got on with my new account (which sucks) I'm getting sawed from the spawn point of insurg and I am like behind the building. If they had least had some tact. I use the evil hack to carefully advance on them then when i get close I grenade them andif I have to use the saw then I go prone depending on the distance and shoot. Hacks are awsome and cheating in that game makes it more fun because like someone stated before, sitting there dead waiting for that one noob that tries to do all the objectives the rest of the dead team did already sucks. I just think people should use some strategy when using the hacks and not just abuse them to the point where they are total aware of them now and we are getting patches soon that disable the ability to use them. I wanna cheat on that game of all others I play - but not abuse the cheats. Got to treasure them, keep them low profile and use your head if you want them to keep working.

[Machiko]

A friend of mine did that in the vent above the door on pipeline, they didn't 203 him either and he opened the vent stepped out and got everyone going into both sets of doors.... after that - he got banned so fast. Although I totally understand your thrist for letting loose with the saw on mountain pass, you gotta be careful because the cheats are a privledge more then a luxury. I would want to keep the cheats alive and keep the dev/admins always questioning "are they really that good, or cheating?...too hard to tell".


Originally posted by computer83
Lol, you know what i love doing?

Playing on moutain pass with teh hacks as defense.
Getting a SAW.
Standing up on the mountain.
Mowing down thier team as they come thru the main Assualt Road.
If any are going Chasm I go further down the mountain untill I can see them.

I can usually kill off thier whole team this way, it's pretty funny to score 200-300 points in a single round.

[SPINEBUSTER]

I read somewhere that they can detect evilhack from a screenshot. I havent tried it yet but what is different?

[Machiko]

I don't know how they could...maybe squirrel knows. I mean if you win games and take screenshots yourself , in the shot it might show if you have it on by the dead body before you colored red or neon or whatever you set it as. I set mine as bright green. If you got shots in your folder maybe they can browse it and see. Not sure but that sucks and **** those amerias army devs and admin staff anyway. They are pathetic, worse customer service. I used to think Verant and OSI were bad, but these guy are the very definition of F*%K-ups. Iknow they use cheats too. I saw a dev dude shooting on insurg camp from distances that evena noob would question. The whole thing is messed up.

[surfrider1]

Yeah their is no way they can detect evil hack from a screen shot. Maybe if another admin was using evil hack from a distance and took screen shots of you getting ready to shoot someone that you couldnt see on the other side of a wall...

[SPINEBUSTER]

Its something at twl, one of the rules. Before the match starts both teams meet somewhere and take screenshots of each other with the F1 menu up. Not sure what they can point out, supposedly something sticks out.

[Machiko]

with the ut engine you can pull files ot and drop them back in while the games running ..at least in ut it works. I wouldnt take a screen for anyone though. Like who they to demand that? Strange they got some weird stuff set up. Would be cool if there was an all hack, switch off that occurs when you take a screen. So press screenshot >hacks go off>screen is taken>hacks return. Or just one key to do it all. I dunno though how you fine tune your vid card is of no ones concerns especially some low class bad aim army dudes who can't be of any use inthe field so they get stuck monitoring games. Those guys I ran into brag too like they are hardcore experts. Theres one admin thats female i think, shes a real butch ass preppy vasquez from aliens type bitch heh. Everything you say, she just disagrees with an knows the answer. You could state your game name is(and its written right there in the playerlist on the server) .... and she would convince everyone on the server it isn't even though it really is. I'm sure you know those types i'm talking about.

[Piddles]

They want both teams to send in a screen shot from each player of another player. If you load up evil and go in they want you to send a screen shot of evil doing its work. If you leave right after they consider you a cheat and won't let you back in. They want it shot with the f1 key to make it hard for someone to doctor shots with photoshop because of all the extra crap f1 puts on the screen

[SPINEBUSTER]

Originally posted by Piddles
They want both teams to send in a screen shot from each player of another player. If you load up evil and go in they want you to send a screen shot of evil doing its work. If you leave right after they consider you a cheat and won't let you back in. They want it shot with the f1 key to make it hard for someone to doctor shots with photoshop because of all the extra crap f1 puts on the screen

So the only thing they see is no fog then?

[Machiko]

i play solo anyway. sure i got team members when you play but do I really care about them and do I use them as human shields - yup. Shots are easy to doctor of any type though. I mean take a look at some of the alien stuff doctored on that art bells site. I could do it. I could make it look like they cheat i bet, as they should! Being prepared and all isn't cheating, it's being prepared. Especially since its a mere game that I take less serious then chipping a nail.

[alvingo]

I think this thread needs a BUMP

[Machiko]

Heh, Did you get caught or just moving it up?

Originally posted by alvingo
I think this thread needs a BUMP

[Muldrew]

A question regarding the new Dev file scan as you enter their server:
If AAOmanager is undetectable with cheats off, is is possible to bind the program to a key and only execute it once in the game? Or turn it off before a screenshot? Perhaps a stupid question but just a thought.

[Piddles]

Originally posted by SPINEBUSTER


So the only thing they see is no fog then?


No they want you to take a screen shot with then send it in. If you have evil running it will show in the screenie you send in. Its really a horrible way to "try" to stop someone cheating. But everyone's paranoid so they make people waste there time.

[Muldrew]

Another question: I was told --
"Punkbuster lets server admins take a SS from the players video buffer. You end up with a SS of what the player is actually seeing."
Anyone know if that's true and wouldn't that violate some rights?

[Machiko]

it would violate rights in verant and origins eyes and they had this huge lawsuit thing I think in 98-99 about that and all but the people at aa don't seem to care. They dictate everything it seems. like i posted before, the admin or dev whichever playing with us telling me i needed to switch using grenades and start using a gun. He threatened me round after round, then he left the server so I left.

[SPINEBUSTER]

Originally posted by Muldrew
A question regarding the new Dev file scan as you enter their server:
If AAOmanager is undetectable with cheats off, is is possible to bind the program to a key and only execute it once in the game? Or turn it off before a screenshot? Perhaps a stupid question but just a thought.

I had that same thought today but you beat me to it. That would be excellent.

[Machiko]

I've been asking forever...but nothing yet.

just an "All Off" function which automatically disables the hacks when the screenshot is taken, then a reset after the shots completed so that previous settings (hacks) are reactivated.

Originally posted by Machiko
Would be cool if there was an all hack, switch off that occurs when you take a screen. So press screenshot >hacks go off>screen is taken>hacks return. Or just one key to do it all. I

[Piddles]

I am new to this but from what I have figured out..no. I could be wrong but you won't be able to make the hack turn on/off without restarting the game.

[Machiko]

i mean evilhack itself... it shows from your point of view...so it's easy to see when they ask for the screenshot or use something that takes screens from your end, if you have it on. If there was a way to just switch it off. like in mohaa that one hack has apanic button when you hit the F key it shuts off all the hacks. I dunno if punkbuster or all that supports that game...i dunno what's up with it - it's limited to me (the game), but i rmemeber in ut i could turn off my cheats in the game with one key take a screen for my suspicious friends then turn it back on without exiting the game to do so. Here i'll see if I can post a screen of an angelfire site of what evilhack looks like running. Just copy and paste the url , clicking on the link won't work w/ Angelfire. That's why I removed the url stuff

angelfire.com/goth/madeline_blooddoll/Shot00102.jpg

all the screenshot would reveal is the colors i picked in evilhack. if that can be turned off when the screen is taken, would be nice. I noticed with ut engine games in particular, like you can drop u files int maps textures anything you want into the game while it is running and it'll still load up fine. That of course was with UT and UT2k3. AA uses the engine but i'm not sure if it will let you do that and I don't even think its relevant. If a panic off button was added like in some other hacks I've seen, then the screen would turn those models back to their real color/turn off the pos/weap tracking stuff and the screenshot would be nice and clean. Then you hit the button to turn it back on. Anyway might as well wait until the new patch comes and see if it can be hacked again before doing anything new.

[Machiko]

all these guys on a reg server watching/playing, they are devs so watch out (not that they have real power)but 8 people got kicked off the server by them. -
friendly fire - devil dog - hf nitro - raYgunn - indigofire (the vasquez butch freak hardcore dictator)

[ToadWarrior]

Originally posted by Machiko
all these guys on a reg server watching/playing, they are devs so watch out (not that they have real power)but 8 people got kicked off the server by them. -
friendly fire - devil dog - hf nitro - raYgunn - indigofire (the vasquez butch freak hardcore dictator)

Don't the devs all have [Dev] in their name? Or are you saying certain people without [Dev] are devs also?

[Machiko]

devraYGunn did but some did not. I didn't know these guys above were devs until they kicked someone. Indigofire though was the first admin/ could be dev (but is really ignorant about the game engine and technical questions I asked) to ban me though. I had gotten banned by devil dog too for language in the game then in the irc room heh but that's along story and it was justified, he's just got a broom stick up... well yeah he sucks. I think he's just a dev .

[ToadWarrior]

Well some guys are devs and some guys are admins or they work for homelan or SCI. Only the devs (guys who actually made the game) have [Dev] in their name. Homelan and SCI have [HF] or [SCI] in their name.

[Machiko]

i remember when i first played the had dev but i think they took that out no because cheaters leave the server when the name [dev]imaloser enters the game, so they can't even catch you then. Someguy named yu gi oh magic or something with yu gi oh in it was a dev. he was in irc too. raYGunn is a dev and he bans you too all the time. He hates how I play and told me to go back to quake.

[ToadWarrior]

Originally posted by Machiko
i remember when i first played the had dev but i think they took that out no because cheaters leave the server when the name [dev]imaloser enters the game, so they can't even catch you then. Someguy named yu gi oh magic or something with yu gi oh in it was a dev. he was in irc too. raYGunn is a dev and he bans you too all the time. He hates how I play and told me to go back to quake.

Yeah, I'll bet there are some devs or admins or whatever who play with names that dont stand out. But if you go to the dev server youll see them all playing with their [Dev] tags and sometimes on other servers too.

[Machiko]

i saw them on the dev server with the tags but only a few times on the others. I never played with them alot. I played on the dev server and used grenades and killed them like crazy and had not been playing from my cheat free install of the game(i have it installed twice)they kicked me off the server but not banned. they are really poor sports i personally think. ikilled them the same way 3 times, you would think after the first time something would have registered in their heads. Right down that path to the ex valve room. 5 guys the first time 3 the other two. Then kicked. I don't think they can play well at all. I think you could install a program that did the opposite of cheats like made you blind and deaf and half dead and even color blind and you could still beat them.

[ToadWarrior]

There are a lot of different devs though, some of them are bad but some of them are good. It probly depends on when you play and whos playing at the time. On the dev server one of them was saying that they mostly only play there, so you probly wont see them on other servers very often. Also, sometimes there arent even any devs on its just other people who are hoping that the devs join so they can suck up to them.

[Machiko]

ahh the sucks-ups heh. That was funny but true.I KNOW they use the cheats too though. I've seen them do headshots over n over. Picture this - the guy walks into the the main room in pipeline at the back door. theres 2 guys up on either side, one below one by the wooden stacked things and me at the bathroom door peaking down. The dev ran in that back door with a m16 and head shot everyone in under 5 seconds. head shots all the way up top to and then to everyone else. 1 bullet per person, no more. Come on, he was cheating heh. They got to "look good" to the public.

[Xocar]

wtf means dev anyway, devils?

[da4ni4]

I'm not sure, but I think a dev is part of the developers team... then again, I could be wrong.

[ramjam]

Originally posted by puremix
the dev server will say "dev" in the description

Its absolutely illegal to do so !

[Machiko]

heh im real scared of the devs. Revenge. Sweet lasting revenge. Now it's time for all of us to get a taste. Do you still sleep with the lights on?

[ToadWarrior]

Originally posted by Machiko
heh im real scared of the devs. Revenge. Sweet lasting revenge. Now it's time for all of us to get a taste. Do you still sleep with the lights on?

Are you planning something? :-P