Private Hacks NO Longer Private?!? [Archive]

LuciferGuard

31st March 2006, 07:05

Rastabwoy

31st March 2006, 07:10

Im also 50/50 on this... i would like private hacks, but most people that get them will abuse them and yea what u said..."Call for an emergency patch"

That item vac looked pretty nice :D

OSaltyOne

31st March 2006, 07:11

I only have a few private hacks, but the exclusiveness is the reward in finding them. I think they should stay private, and if someone wants them bad enough, they will find them on their own as well.

Sapphire

31st March 2006, 07:19

So whats your point? They are free to post if they want to....
Unless you say you own this game...

OSaltyOne

31st March 2006, 07:24

So whats your point? They are free to post if they want to....
Unless you say you own this game...

I'm not saying I own the game. Im just stating my opinion that I think people should earn them. Anyone that has them is free to do what they want with them. What I said before is just what I will do with mine.

Rache

31st March 2006, 07:42

That's ****ing terrible. Well, the only people that are willing to post the real "good" private hacks just leeched them off of somebody else, and just wants reputation on the site. I've lost respect for MPC :(.

LuciferGuard

31st March 2006, 07:53

maybe there should be a private section made the? but only for access to dedicated posters... like ones with 200+ posts and have been active for a couple months. this would semi solve the leecher problem and still give good people access to the hacks.

i know MPC has been against private hacks and private sections but i think it may be about time to put one in

aznsnipingboi

31st March 2006, 07:55

i agree with LuciferGuard and im 50/50 aswell.

LuciferGuard

31st March 2006, 08:03

or have a hack trade forum. one where u post a hack for trade and only respond to it in PM. that way it will semi -control the leaks.

but the only issue there is that the people who have the private hacks usually arent missing any of em. so a pervac traded for an item vac probably wouldnt work.

LuciferGuard

31st March 2006, 08:08

im on khaini. PM me and i'll send ya my IGN's

FinalFury1024

31st March 2006, 08:15

Well, I don't have anything private, mainly as I don't really converse with too many people here, I prefer to stick to myself. Although I'd like to hook up with somebody who plays on Khania who can be trusted to help me test something...any takers?

sure, i'll make one at khanai as soon as i get banned =P
i'm running around with uberspeed, dupexvac, and killing ppl at piggy beach by attaching monsters to myself XD

Dark Blaze

31st March 2006, 08:34

CLICK HERE TO SEE THREAD (http://www.mpcforum.com/showthread.php?t=129261)

look at thje bottom post of the first page by Diddle.
it appears he has lifted the "Private" veil and will not punish leakers anymore... im not sure if this is the best idea, but if you are willing to, go ahead and post yur private addresses/values. i suggest you NOT post instructions for use but instead let the user learn for themselves.

That's exactly so. I told Diddle that as these matters are available to everyone, they just need to know where to look, they cannot be considered private information.

That's ****ing terrible. Well, the only people that are willing to post the real "good" private hacks just leeched them off of somebody else, and just wants reputation on the site. I've lost respect for MPC :(.

MPC is our community. Those that choose to post on the forums are part of it, but don't represent it unless they are members of staff. We do not leech cheats provided on MPC. If you have lost your interest/respect in MPC the exit is not that far from your choices, but I'm sure you don't want to do that as you've been here a long time already.

maybe there should be a private section made the? but only for access to dedicated posters... like ones with 200+ posts and have been active for a couple months. this would semi solve the leecher problem and still give good people access to the hacks.

i know MPC has been against private hacks and private sections but i think it may be about time to put one in

We have developed private sections in the past, they have failed miserably. As pirates used to say, the best way to keep a secret between three pirates is to kill the other two. There are always leaks or some kind of flaw that causes the private section to fall apart.

We have thought of it in every way. It won't work. It will just cause problems.

Smipim

31st March 2006, 08:48

I do believe that private things should be kept as closely guarded as possible. Rather than just posting addresses, why not post tutorials on how to find the addresses/etc that you are after? That way, those who know what they're doing can use the hacks, and never have to worry about the latest patch, while noobs sit there and just make more garbage threads about trying to hack without even knowing what a bypass is, etc.

here here!

course, I'm still a newb (not noob please) hacker myself.

I find it terrificaly fun and I've tried making my own and have found it horribly confusing.

I'm very pro-learning.

"If you buy a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime."

or the more modern version:

"If you buy a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach him how to fish, he has to buy a rod, a lure, bait, boots, clothes, a tackle box, get a license, etc..."

Diddle

31st March 2006, 09:07

That we allow the posting of all types of hacks now doesn't mean we'll stop the learning. We're just done with all the replies saying "Edit your post!!!!!! That's privatetttttteee!". That's called keeping things that aren't yours to yourself and that's not the way MPC works. If someone finds the address of a hack and decides he wants to share it, that's his choice. And since it's impossible to prove whether he leeched it or discovered it himself, we might as well allow all of them.

Btw, if someone can leech a hack, then it's not private. Why? Because private hacks can't be found since they're private. If you want to keep stuff to yourself, as DB says, keep it to yourself and share it with noone.

wahhh

31st March 2006, 09:39

I TOTALLY agree with Diddle

farmerchum

31st March 2006, 09:51

i concur with diddle, if you want to keep it private, then dont post in any forum...

lalaman2002

31st March 2006, 10:01

the term "private" is relative. If you are given a code found by another fellow hacker and he wishes it to be kept secret, then its your integrity to hold it, or to leak it. It is not "legally" wrong to leak it, but it just shows your character.

slow27

31st March 2006, 10:39

hacking is a community experience as well as a learning experience, its kind of an unsaid rule for programers to share their knowledge with others, keeping things to yourself helps no one, but as for people that say things are "private" then why do so many people know about your "private" things

rules are meant to be broken, secrets are meant to be told

dublee

31st March 2006, 14:39

I agree with Diddle. Who determines whether a hack should or should not be made private? The creator should, of course, but it seems that whenever a new hack is created and posted on this forum, there are always a certain group of people who influence the creator to edit it, telling him that it's dangerous if other people know and "wizet will patch it immediately, which is why you should make it private." And of course this group that influenced him already know the hack so they could care less if it becomes private.

The real reason why these people don't want it to spread is because they want to feel overpowering and privileged in knowing that no one else but themselves can do a certain hack/ability. There are only a few number of people who can actually create real hacks and fully understand the programming aspect in Maple Story, but I can assure you these aren't the people who are spamming "No, it's private!" to every post that is made about a private hack. Most of the time it's users who may not even know how to perform the hack or others who obtained the hack by ass kissing or by chance. And this privatising of information creates a lot of ass kissers.

I've seen this type of selfish attitude arise in many different private/public scenarios, such as satellite testing and FXP site forums, and it's very sad.

Also I think the whole trading aspect of private hacks is utter bullshit. Why does the OP need to withheld his information unless he gets something in return? These aren't baseball cards, people. The emphasis should be made to share, not barter.

dublee

31st March 2006, 15:21

@dublee: Yes, then you share. And then your shit ends up in every forum, and before too long, your name isn't on it any more. I don't mind sharing, I really don't. I just can't stand the people who don't give credit or respect where it is due.

If recognition for your work is what you care about then you should post your method on every forum before anyone else gets a chance. A good example for distribution would be the dupexvac. I've never seen anyone take that method and name it as their own, because that method was unique and was posted on all the major forums. The problem arises when a method, which at once was private, is leaked. The leaker doesn't care who created the method, they just post the code/method. Only you have the decision to make it public or private. And if you really care about sharing your ideas and recognition then you'd be better off making it public.

lalaman2002

31st March 2006, 15:30

to clear things up:
if you find the hack yourself, then its yours to choose to release it or not. But if its been found by other people and they are kind enough to let u in it but still wants to keep it within the small group its leaked to, then its best to respect his wishes. This is known as intellectual rights. Those that somehow gain the hacks or information without having the permission of the author the information is from, and leaks it are condammed.

We are not against leaking of "private" hacks, as i said private is relative from ppl to ppl. But claiming other's work as yours and leaking it without permission is what we are against. And since we cannot be 100% sure if the "leaker" is the actual "owner" of the hack and since the world is so big that someone else might find that himself/herself, generally it is not greatly advised to leak it in public. If possible pm those that u want to have it.

Hitmaster

31st March 2006, 16:07

This is just a way to promote leeching and to attract more script kiddies. But whatever.. it's a free game so do what you wish.

Rache

31st March 2006, 16:17

there are always a certain group of people who influence the creator to edit it, telling him that it's dangerous if other people know and "wizet will patch it immediately, which is why you should make it private." And of course this group that influenced him already know the hack so they could care less if it becomes private.

As I said a while back.

Leaked mapvac -> what happened? -> patched and CRC
Leaked godmode -> what happened? -> nProtect
Leaked wallvac -> what happened? -> patched in kMS, soon in all others.

Anything else that would cause mass chaos in MS, any type of the 'good' vacs, or the real full godmode, if they were released, we'd be looking at a pretty much unhackable Maple. It isn't because we're selfish, we're trying to help you guys out, so you can continue using your hacks. If you want something so bad, test everything out. For different vacs, check everything about your x/y coordinates, platform addresses, walls, monsters, anything. That's what makes you more experienced.

LuciferGuard

31st March 2006, 16:19

alright... it appears most of us in here arent against letting every1 use private hacks... so hows about some1 start a thread that has the addresses and/or values of a hack ONLY and gives or atleast attempts to give credit to the author who gave them the hack.

that work for every1?

dublee

31st March 2006, 16:42

As I said a while back.

Leaked mapvac -> what happened? -> patched and CRC
Leaked godmode -> what happened? -> nProtect
Leaked wallvac -> what happened? -> patched in kMS, soon in all others.

Anything else that would cause mass chaos in MS, any type of the 'good' vacs, or the real full godmode, if they were released, we'd be looking at a pretty much unhackable Maple. It isn't because we're selfish, we're trying to help you guys out, so you can continue using your hacks. If you want something so bad, test everything out. For different vacs, check everything about your x/y coordinates, platform addresses, walls, monsters, anything. That's what makes you more experienced.

I personally don't mind if something gets patched, because sooner or later someone will most likely find a solution. It also adds challenge and interest in hacking this game. I don't see how fgm or any type of new vac would elevate the severity of what's already publicly available. The only types of hacks that I believe would ruin this game are the scroll and item dupe hacks, if they are ever pubicly released.

And I'm not arguing because I want any of these "private" hacks. I honestly could care less if I had them or not. I just hate seeing threads about "private" hacks (if they're so private they shouldn't be discussed by people you don't know) and the elitist attitude from the people who have them in a learning environment such as this.

To the creators: If people other than your personal friends/family members know about your so-called private hack then it's not worth labelling it private anymore, because sooner or later it will be leaked.

LuciferGuard

31st March 2006, 16:49

very true d.vel.oper

think there should be a tutorials only forum? one that u post yur tutorial and the thread is instantly locked so as to prevent spam?

Lem_is_cool

31st March 2006, 17:27

think there should be a tutorials only forum? one that u post yur tutorial and the thread is instantly locked so as to prevent spam?

I like this idea, no need to dumb down stuff, just straight info and then locked.

LuciferGuard

31st March 2006, 17:36

exactly. maybe leave questions open to what were known as the "Public" hacks. but the ones labelled "Private" should have no instruction besides how to find it. that would make things a bit easier for others who dont want the addresses leaked. this way we have to find out how to not only find the address, but also find out how to use it when we have it

bong1934

31st March 2006, 18:01

Personally, I'd much rather release 'how to do something' rather than just giving somebody an address and telling them to tick off a flag. After all, if you learn, then you can give back to the community when you come up with something.Personally, I'd much rather have a tutorial on how to find these hacks then just the values. I mean, what happens if I decide to try hackig a different game, will my method be to just google for a forum? I wouldn't like that, and quite frankly I am much happier when I make my own, take last night for example I finnaly got speed and jump hack working, and I got 2 accounts banned just from playing around with it, but I don't care because I was having fun and I made it myself.

moomoo5555

31st March 2006, 18:27

As long as kenshin on CE forums locks and keys the item dupe
http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=7880&start=75

That is living proof you can item dupe, if this is released, maple story is dead.

Inside

31st March 2006, 19:15

whodere

31st March 2006, 19:31

Very fake. I could do that to.
Its just wrong when you have to fake some shit to get respect.

LuciferGuard

31st March 2006, 20:20

it looks real enough, but im pretty sure its fake. if im not mistaken the only way to dupe is with a packet editor

DaMeCabeza

31st March 2006, 21:00

As for the 200+ posts thing, that would cause alot of spam o_O (didnt read 2nd page) >_>

MOUSYO

31st March 2006, 23:35

read the whole page, people even explain how it is fake... -_-

xRevenge

1st April 2006, 01:10

Ninjacowgalore

1st April 2006, 01:28

I'm not going to sit here and judge the decision MPC has made, because i have'nt even been around that long (just look at my posts) lol. I have a good knowledge of values and bypasses enough to know how to get each working, so my opinion on this situation I guess you could say is also 50/50. I know how people can abuse hacks one maple once they get a hold of them. Anyway, I hopefully this will turn out better than everyone is expecting =S

SpiritFury

1st April 2006, 02:33

I agree with most of you, but you see. There's really noone to blame but yourself.
If you want it private, keep it to yourself.

For the ones who actually find the values themselves, it's their choice to publish it or not.
And I would rather have a turtorial showing how to find these things rather than others giving it out just like that. I wanted to learn, I even requested for some, but you guys keep declining it, I never happened to learn how to find these values.

I know how to work them, but the thing is, I WANT TO LEARN >_>;

OSaltyOne

1st April 2006, 02:58

Since that thing with Basilmarket happened yesterday, I'm sure theres more people now lurking on this site and starting to hack as well. I think if we release any private hacks, we should wait a few days until these new people get bored and leave. >_> I'm not saying I don't like new people, I'm saying theres going to be more pointless topics then there ever was.

dcay

1st April 2006, 03:24

Stupid argument. You can't make the call and say hacks are public or private, it's up to the person that found it first. And if you don't know who found it first, its the person that post, "shit, that's the hack that I found" (example taken from dupe vac).

This forum is infested with noobs and leechers. All the hacks here came from MSecrets. Like the DupeXVac aa script I wrote up, the jump hack using wall vac taken from the video clip I posted in MSecrets, etc. If you push some of the knowledgeable ones like rache/lalaman/etc. enough, they might as well leave and you'll get noobs leeching things from other forums to teach other noobs here. Well, lalaman just come here to read post and laugh at noobs, so he's already ahead.

But have some respect, things are the way they are for a long time for a reason. I don't mean to disrepect any of the mods here cause you are the best damn mods I know ever since I step foot on this forum. But do what you must, I'm on and off nowadays.

LuciferGuard

1st April 2006, 04:31

yur theory on this is good pimpin, but with "better" hacks, it'll require a lot more work to find them... eventually they'll find a way to change the value AND address of a hack after each patch... or even after each program load. this would make it so that we'd literally have to scan through millions of addresses to find the hack we were looking for...

SecretH4cker

5th April 2006, 01:09

i think just posting values and addresses but no tut on how to activate the hacks would be for the best, and if anyone asks for help they should be ignored

true noob leechers wouldn't know what to do, so in theaory couldn't use the hacks

whereas logical people, could somehow figure it out

(yeh ok, im kinda a noob leecher, but ive only just started and still learning how to use all that CE has to offer)

SluggerJr

5th April 2006, 01:15

The only hack i haven't seen is the NOn d/c fly hack if anyone needs PM me with a reason.:bandit:

lolaznboy

5th April 2006, 01:17

thats 005ee516...it was "leaked"

Rastabwoy

5th April 2006, 01:21

thats 005ee516...it was "leaked"

Yup >.> good thing i haven't seen noobs abusing it yet

SluggerJr

5th April 2006, 01:27

Im glad also that was the worst hack back in the day. Flying noobs...:bandit:
Thats all we needed was more mikes.

Paine-

5th April 2006, 01:49

I made my thorns using that fly hack to do sab 2

papacap3thou

5th April 2006, 02:51

I made my thorns using that fly hack to do sab 2
Cool, good idea. :bandit:

Xapien

5th April 2006, 03:27

when oms .20 came out I found item vac as my first prority. someone leaks it. All my hard work goes to waste. Not my ****ing fualt if the gay ass leechers can't get there ****ing ass off the ground and find there own god damn hacks. Most priv hacks are easy you just gotta think outta the box.

maybe there should be a private section made the? but only for access to dedicated posters... like ones with 200+ posts and have been active for a couple months. this would semi solve the leecher problem and still give good people access to the hacks.

i know MPC has been against private hacks and private sections but i think it may be about time to put one in

Also what the ****. I don't get you. Are you noob? I worked my ass off to learn from scratch and all people would have to do is get some posts? hell no. I made it on to UG by my self no help in 3 forums. I lost my respect for MPC. **** this shit I am outta here.

alright... it appears most of us in here arent against letting every1 use private hacks... so hows about some1 start a thread that has the addresses and/or values of a hack ONLY and gives or atleast attempts to give credit to the author who gave them the hack.

that work for every1?

You are a ****ing 10 year old wanting all private hacks. Does it hurt to say everyone not every1? 2 more keys being pressed down. Now please SHUT THE **** UP NOOB. Stop please if you want private hacks then ****ing earn it. Dumb ass. Also giving credit? Not gonna happen, how they gonna know if they just leaked it from someone. Blow me. Find your own god damn hacks.