Apple and Windows predicted to kill Linux

[luck777jojo]

InfoWorld has posted their predictions that Apple UNIX and MS Windows will “force Linux underground”. They predict that Linux will be used more in embedded systems as opposed to general computing and server platforms where Windows and Apple will take over.

Personally I am a bit pissed at this whole article, I mean I could understand it if he predicted that about just general computing, I mean sure I can see that happening, not that I’m pleased about it but I can see that.

As for server he is way off base in my opinion, I mean he’s looking at the new Apple servers and he’s saying that they will take over Linux based servers?!?! That’s just nuts, I mean apple, right now, is getting into the server market with servers costing $3k or something along those lines. Sure that seems all nice and cheap but the fact of the matter is we’re talking about servers not personal computers. No one is going to buy the $3k server because no one wants to use a PC as a server. Servers in general are way more powerful and thus more expensive than PCs.

Plus the fact that it’s a MAC isn’t going to play as much of a role in the server market as in the PC market. I mean no one who’s going to buy a server is going to care about all those “iLife” applications because THEY’RE NOT NEEDED IN A SERVER and the fact that the server is designed all nice and shit, I mean I don’t think I care if my server is “the cutest server in the whole Data Center” or if it’s just a black 2U box. I’m going to care how much power it has and a $3k Apple server isn’t going to cut it for most companies.

In any case have a read and judge for yourselves.

Link to full article: http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/08/29/36OPcurve_1.html

[Dark Hacker]

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^^ completely pointless post.

Anyways i think the article is just a little bit biased :P

[Diddle]

^^ completely pointless post.

Anyways i think the article is just a little bit biased :P
Deleted that post. :)

And the people that have the most influence in what OS is being used - sysadmins - will keep using Linux if that's what they're used to, so I don't think Linux will die anytime soon.

[Dark Blaze]

No one is going to buy the $3k server because no one wants to use a PC as a server. Servers in general are way more powerful and thus more expensive than PCs.

Linux is designed to utilize most of the computer resources because you can use it the way you want and install/remove whatever you want.

People do buy $3k servers because they need them to maintain large corporations, universities, etc. Sure they have no need for those unecessary client applications, but perhaps they include those programs to make them look like it's worth the purchase.

[luck777jojo]

People do buy $3k servers because they need them to maintain large corporations, universities, etc. Sure they have no need for those unecessary client applications, but perhaps they include those programs to make them look like it's worth the purchase.

DB.... erm..... large corporations and universities buy servers for $30k upwards not for $3k

The point I'm making isn't that the server is expensive, the point I'm making is that it's bottom of the barrel POS.

[Macpunk]

Whoever wrote that is an *****. Linux will still be around...prolly forever.

And luck777jojo....why'd you attack Apple so much? Calm down. Apple's just trying to be a business, let them. Besides, Apple didn't write that, some random dude did.

--Macpunk

[luck777jojo]

I'm not attacking apple I'm just saying their servers are useless.

Like I said I don't care about their PC business they do okay in it and I let them be, but I hate it when people try to do something they have no idea of how to do. I mean Apple has always been a PC manufacturer, their enchancements are great for the end user, but in the server market they never did anything revolutionary.

They do alot of eye candy and that's great for end users, I mean heck even I like looking at a nice background rather than a blank blue screen, and apple has taken that much farther, their GUI is actually nice to look at. But I don't care what kind of GUI my server has because I'm accessing it through shell anyways.

Oh and yes overall I do hate apple, but only recently have I started to hate them so much, I mean I hate those damn apple ads they have bashing windows, I hate the whole iLife culture they're promoting etc. It makes me sick.

I had a Mac, in fact it was my first computer that I had, and I loved it, it rarely crashed and it worked fine for over 10 years before the monitor finally died on me.
But lately macs have become too...... "designer-like" I don't like that, it makes me sick, I don't want a computer to look pretty I want it to do work and be left in a seperate room where noone is going to be seing it, I don't want to have it on display in the middle of the living room.

Perhaps I feel this way because I'm not a fashion designer, and I don't buy a computer because "everyone has one". I am a programmer and I use a computer at work, so I don't care for a pretty box.

But still my personal feelings do not change the fact that I am admitting that Apple PCs are good for the end user, or at least the majority of end users who surf the internet, maybe want to make a movie using their PC or something.
They're just NOT servers, they never were, and they shouldn't be, that's not their market, they shouldn't stick their nose into it.

[Dark Hacker]

Deleted that post. :)


yeah and i edited my post a little bit, too :P

[scruie]

Apple's deal with Intel just took a turn for the worse. The server market can be profitable but I cannot see this working for the vast majority of the PC industry; compatibility issues seem ripe here.

Know what you mean by the bashin of the Redmond giant by Apple - Hasta la Vista, Vista! Honestly, even that made me shout support for M$ when I saw that.

[jason gotti]

well i never heared of linux anyways so foget it about it

[poonsty]

majority of people use windows anyway, and when windows vista comes out... it will whipe out the competition...

[Macpunk]

Gahhhhh....didn't mean to offend anyone.

I agree actually. I like my Mac as a PC, not a server. It's just not equipped with what it needs.

So yes, I would most likey go with my plain ol Apache 2.x server on some non Mac PC with a decent linux distro on it. :)

--Macpunk

[Gn3rKiLL]

linux is the best

[unfunf]

Recalling from another article I saw on software company dominance, I can say it's very unlikely UNIX, Linux, or Windows will change positions, strength wise. The current ratio of users UNIX:Linux:Windows is unlikely to change by more than 5% (not some random number I made up :P) any which way. Whether or not this is bad is up for debate, but many folks have looked at software dominance situations and there are a few articles about it.

I like windows. I like linux. I like unix. They are all useful in different ways. I hate Apple computers. They try to hard to be hip and seem to venture away from what computers are all about... computing, not just listening to music, watching movies, drawing silly pictures, or perhaps even going so far as to type up a book / report.

Apples in the server world? Maybe in 15-20 years when they realize how to allot their time correctly.

[kenjac]

Linux Rules!

[vitaly nuhimov]

why do everyone think linux is such great -.-?
as for now it is probably the best for servers but apple and ms are advanching in a much faster rate than linux....in the near future even server admins will choose apple or ms servers :S
if linux would have made a deal with ms so apple would be out of the picture.. :S ms is the biggest in the computer industry so it makes great sense that one day linux would extinct :P

[luck777jojo]

actually linux is advancing alot faster then both apple and ms combined, mostly because it is opensource. At the same that that is what is hurting it, alot of big companies tend to be cautious of free open source solutions because they tend to think "if it's free it's got to suck" so they don't go with linux.

for one example the UI of linux has been way more advanced than anything apple or windows could pull together for a while now: http://youtube.com/watch?v=lawkc3jH3ws

[Dark Blaze]

actually linux is advancing alot faster then both apple and ms combined, mostly because it is opensource. At the same that that is what is hurting it, alot of big companies tend to be cautious of free open source solutions because they tend to think "if it's free it's got to suck" so they don't go with linux.

for one example the UI of linux has been way more advanced than anything apple or windows could pull together for a while now: http://youtube.com/watch?v=lawkc3jH3ws

I completely agree with luck, and I have to say that video you linked us to is awesome :)

Now if only I can figure out how to install After Effects on linux as they figured out how to install Photoshop on Ubuntu and I will be well off :)

[unfunf]

That's a cool interface; however, in all honesty, what's the actual point? It seem's to me like it's just to look very cool, which is very macish to me, which automatically makes me dislike it. Linux had a much better interface going without the idea of a 'cube interface', which is ridiculous. Having the ability to maintain multiple desktops (More than 6, if you wanted), while staying in a one-window environment is much *faster* and much more pratical than moving a cube around until you find what side of the cube you needed to use. It's a bit of a step backwards in the usuability department. The way the guy was handling it made me look like he was playing a game, which requires far too much attention then *navigating an interface made for productivity* should require.

[Dark Blaze]

unfunf I agree with you on the cube matter. Although the new Mac OS Leopard that is coming out, has an appealing structure that looks useful.

What I need is an operating system which can operate my motion graphics tools at the highest performance possible (that the machine can offer). I don't need unecessary software loading up and using resources, etc...

Problem is that apart from using Wine to emulate for Adobe After Effects, I can't see any other way of using Linux to run Adobe software. If there was, I'd be very keen on moving in that direction as I currently do not use Linux as actively as Windows.

[luck777jojo]

That's a cool interface; however, in all honesty, what's the actual point? It seem's to me like it's just to look very cool, which is very macish to me, which automatically makes me dislike it. Linux had a much better interface going without the idea of a 'cube interface', which is ridiculous. Having the ability to maintain multiple desktops (More than 6, if you wanted), while staying in a one-window environment is much *faster* and much more pratical than moving a cube around until you find what side of the cube you needed to use. It's a bit of a step backwards in the usuability department. The way the guy was handling it made me look like he was playing a game, which requires far too much attention then *navigating an interface made for productivity* should require.

you know what? I can use a shell in linux and be happy as a clam, it's nice, it's fast, I can have multiple shells open at any one time which is almost the same as having multiple desktops, but... in all honesty it's not nice. Granted I agree that macs go over the top with the "nice looking" shit but..... with XGL and linux I find it a perfect blend of both worlds.
If I need something more powerfull I can always go straight into shell and not even bother with a bunch of GUI bullshit that exists in any modern OS, at the same time I can just sit back and relax while listening to some music or watching a movie or even watching TV and having a cube 3d interface, so i can watch TV on one side of the cube then flip over to the other side of the cube to watch a full screen movie, or...... even...... multiple pr0n movies at once OMG OMG OMG!!!! :P

[unfunf]

I guess when you put it that way it does seem a bit more useful. I was thinking of it in a purely dev. way (mostly because I consider linux users to be a bit more on the workaholic side compared to windows users). For pure enjoyment, I can see that interface being fun to play around with. I never need to multitask my stuff to have fun (I just have music playing *or* a movie playing, never have I been in a situation where I needed access to both a movie and winamp/anequiv music player).

[sspoke1]

windows for life

[Gemquist]

There is a Linux distro based off of that ui Luck posted, called sabayon. I don't have it, but I've seen it in action, and its wicked.

The statement I bring to the table is. Linux can do anything.
Its just a matter of time and effort.
Not saying it will do everything a mac or ms os can do at a decent speed (which tends to take prolonged development), but it is possible for it to do anything either can.
Linux isn't just open source, its open operating system.
The OS allows more manipulation of your computer's resources and integration with the os itself than either of the competitors.
Who wants a mac server for 3k when a 1.5k Linux server is likely to outperform it, and remain more stable?
Ms is prone to many more virii than Linux. Mac doesn't have the compatibility bypassing features Linux does.

If you get the proper software, distro, and hardware, Linux will nearly emulate wind blows.

I think Linux is as underground as its gonna get, and is picking up a greater and greater following as it goes on.

I jumped into Ubuntu last year, and I'm amazed at how many people are on the IRC channels, how many people are homebrewing software for it.

And uhh... last I checked, Vista has just about as many game compatibility problems as Linux... :P (exaggeration).

[luck777jojo]

compiz in Ubuntu is basiacally the same exact thing as XGL, and the thing is just like SuSe comes with XGL installed Ubuntu comes with compiz installed, all that is required is to actually turn it on in ubuntu and download some GFX-card drivers for it.

[kangp1]

They predicted wrong Linux is going to take over the world.

[gil]

Each is designed for a different use or for a different section of the market, if you want.
Although each of them is trying to get into the other's territory, as unfunf said, this is unlikely to change anytime soon. I do predict OSX taking a meaningful part of Windows' costumers, due to the growing hype around Apple.

Ubuntu and all of this cube UI is made to compete with Windows. Linux always lacked a user friendly interface and that's why almost no dumb-end-user is using Linux. Giving them nice and shiny UI is a good way to make them move. I saw a few getting over excited with it.

[tenniswild65]

well i never heared of linux anyways so foget it about it

interesting....

[Sago Mage]

doesnt Linux take the place of windows? i heard it was great. a friend of mine had it but he said its hard to set-up/install and if i did one wrong thing i could mess up my whole PC, is this true?

[luck777jojo]

doesnt Linux take the place of windows? i heard it was great. a friend of mine had it but he said its hard to set-up/install and if i did one wrong thing i could mess up my whole PC, is this true?
I just installed the latest ubuntu version on a backup computer I had lying around at home..... I didn't even have to install any drivers for anything, unlike windows everything was recognized from the very start.

and installing it.... oh god was that easy, plug in the CD.... it loads up an actualy working OS with some prebuilt default programs and an icon on the desktop which says "install"
click the icon it asks a few questions about timezone etc. and starts installing in the background.
While it's doing that you're free to use any of the programs that are on the cd already such as open office, firefox, etc.
When it's done it asks you to restart and next thing you know you're using the same things on your installed OS already.


I mean seriously at least 10 times easier than a windows XP install, and nicer too.

[the grinch]

I just installed the latest ubuntu version on a backup computer I had lying around at home..... I didn't even have to install any drivers for anything, unlike windows everything was recognized from the very start.

and installing it.... oh god was that easy, plug in the CD.... it loads up an actualy working OS with some prebuilt default programs and an icon on the desktop which says "install"
click the icon it asks a few questions about timezone etc. and starts installing in the background.
While it's doing that you're free to use any of the programs that are on the cd already such as open office, firefox, etc.
When it's done it asks you to restart and next thing you know you're using the same things on your installed OS already.


I mean seriously at least 10 times easier than a windows XP install, and nicer too.

i only tried ubuntu a few years ago when they sent me like 30 discs. I couldn't even get the live cd to boot up because it couldn't detect my graphics card at all. I didn't feel like learning a bunch of code or anything to get it to work so i threw all the discs away.

But There is a new Distro i really love and i'm actually downloading the iso of the latest release right now
DreamLinux :P http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/
it's beautiful and works well i think. It's still hard for me to switch from my awesome vista (which i've never had a problem with...) to it, but i think i can use both. i dunno.

I like the idea of having an alternative Os to choose from. Mac isn't an option at all in my opinion. but i still do not think that linux is where it needs to be.

[luck777jojo]

a few years ago ubuntu was far below what it is now... but to each his own.

Personally I'm extremely happy with what ubuntu has done for desktops, I would take it over vista and even XP any day.