Design program

[Malicious]

Just thought that I would ask which programs you all use to edit your sites and create them. I found that for when I first started I liked to do as much as I could in some plan text editor so that I would learn more. This still holds true. However at a recent interview I needed more experience with using dream weaver mx because that is what the company used. So I went out and got it. I have to say that I like it too.

It has some cool features. I like the split screen with code and the preview below it... that rocks. Also some of the included flash and stuff seems to be nice as well.

Just wondering on your thoughts about programs and/or if you rather do it in a normal text editor instead.

Thx.

Just hope there are no FP posts... hehe

[luck777jojo]

I use flash for most of my sites but... yeah notpad or dreamweaver are nice, I like to use dreamweaver to get the html pages that I might need for my sites done quickly, then I usually go into notepad and clean up the code manually ;)

[DarkCloud]

For design, I use plenty of programs. I'm starting to dive into JCreator. I have been using flash for a good long time in my designs. Sometimes, I use dreamweaver. But then, I use notepad to clean up a lot of mistakes that are made.

Front Page is by far the worst page creation tool available.

[Malicious]

Agreed on the FP thing. Sorry about the title of the thread didn't realize there was another with the same name below. Speaking of cleaning up... what is the proper way todo tables... i mean i see them like this

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With that design why?

Dark what advantages does Jcreator have?

yeah that doesn't look right. It goes in then out... you know what i mean

[DarkCloud]

JCreator is the kind of program that is made to create the stuff that yahoo uses. Its a Java Applet Program heavy powerful programming.

[Malicious]

would you recommend it for novice java programmers or no?

[DarkCloud]

You would have an easier time doing C++ than Java. The Syntax for Java is a nightmare in comparison to C++.

[luck777jojo]

yeah hehehe you got that right.... java can be a real pain sometimes, if you want to learn it though then you gotta do lots of reading ;)

[Malicious]

Do you guys recommend online tutorials or books?

Forgot to ask... if you have any direct links or titles to books that you recommend that would rock. Yes I know how to search the net but recommendations go a long ways sometimes.

[DarkCloud]

Books on what?

[Machiko]

i can give you a good list of professionally written books, unlike alot of the online things you will find where the writer of the tutorial will be talking about setting up something and then get into a side story totally unrelated to the topic at hand. You have my YM, just talk to me on there OwNing

[Malicious]

Thanks Machiko I will do that.

Dark Lord. Books on anything todo with intermediate to advanced web design and web design scripting, from java to php. Also on graphics... just everything. Im a sponge watch me soak it up ;)

[Sno]

heh I will stick with php :)

[Malicious]

Sno got any recommendations on good books or sites for php... that is really what im after.

[Felix]

Same here, but I have no idea where to start.

[Sno]

www.php.net read the manual and its comments better than any book

[Felix]

I tried that before, but I got a little confused. I don't think that php is my sort of thing. It seems too complex. HTML seems alot easier.

[Malicious]

I would hope so! hehe ;) And thanks Sno for the link I had seen that before but will check it out now.

[DarkCloud]

There are a lot of good books out there. Most of my techniques and styles of designing a website are learned off of constantly working hard at the computer.

websites
www.cplusplus.com <- great way to start out on programming
javascript.internet.com <- pre-made java scripts

books
Mastering HTML 4: second edition
-Deborah S. & Eric J. Ray
This is what I would like to call, "the bible" since its just as thick as the bible and basically has everything in the html libraries you could ever need.

[Machiko]

Originally posted by Sno
www.php.net read the manual and its comments better than any book

I have alot of books better then that site heh. I know some people knock booke because they cost alot (to some) but I have seen many that are 10 fold more helpful then that site. Everyone wants stuff for free, and no one is buying up every book to say all books are bad when that's just not true.

[DarkCloud]

hmm... the only books I buy are usually direct and to the point. Cut the fat out and make it easy to read with a very good set of examples.

Most people learn by examples.

[luck777jojo]

I find it easier to read and learn from books then from a site.... when I'm reading something on the computer my mind usually seems to wander off somewhere, when I'm reading books it's more "on topic"

[DarkCloud]

hands on experience and examples are the way for me.

[Machiko]

i'm like lucky, books are great you just need to find the good ones from the bad. They usually have alot more in depth info and explanations. Read one of thise thick ones in 2 days following along with what they do in there, and thing stick and you dont pick up as many bad habits. Thats just me though. I really like books and having a hardcopy of something.

[DarkCloud]

Oh well, doing is different than reading....

[Machiko]

doing what? You read you can learn and you do. I'm not a total expert here nor do I ever want to be, but I have seen people pick up some pretty bad habits, doing things that I learned from a book, I could do completely easier and faster.

[DarkCloud]

I guess so... some people learn differently than others. To me I would prefer to read an example and try to do it. That's atleast the way I was taught to do things.

[Machiko]

thats how the books are though. They all aren't written in one manner or another. Some have a chapter, they explain things then they give you an "excercise" you do. I don't have time to learn this any other way, and I don't even follow half the rules because who made these people, anyone on the net - god? I'm not doing it for profit, not doing it by any rules traditionally, and not thinking in the back of my mind as i do it,"i hope people like this", because I don't care what people really think about it. That's only my whole method by which I live. you should know this of me. Or at least I thought you did.

[DarkCloud]

I hope to think I know. The joy of just helping someone and know that you had made an effort to help them out.

When I read books, I look for what skills I can aquire from the book.

Can you get on any of your messengers?

[Malicious]

Wow...

I think both of you have good points. I have to say I like the books with the exercises because I am a very visual person. I know people who can just see something or read it and then just KNOW it. Lucky bastards! Then there are people like me that if I don't do something right after I read it I am lost. But when you really want it you keep practicing at it until you get it.

your right Machiko about doing things for your self and not so someone else will like it... Unless of course you work for someone ;). I thank you both for you suggestions. And look forward to your future ones.

[masterc]

For Designing I use Adobe Photoshop, and for making sites I use Dreamweaver.