legal or not?

[alexkapi12]

Do you think downloading copyrighted games in canada can get you sued or make you pay a fine?
or get you in any bad trouble?


1.Yes
2.No

[rand0m]

I think downloading copyrighted games is illegal in any country, as far as I know.

[patriotpie]

Hey cool, second voter. :D
I'm pretty sure that there are international copyright thingums in place, so you shouldn't be able to in Canada.

[luck777jojo]

I'm pretty sure (and by pretty sure I mean 98% sure) that canadian copyright law does not explicitly state that downloading software, which includes games, as well as music and movies is illegal.

They are trying to change the copyright laws now, under preassure from the US, but many voters, myself included, are opposed to it so it is not clear if these changes will take place.

There has already been a precident set in court due to downloading music, which was deemed okay by the judge as he said that he sees no difference in taking a book out at the libraby or even making photocopies of some pages in the book or downloading a song from a p2p network.


Now let us add to all the another tidbit of information, in the EU right now there is a law that is trying to get passed that will make "personal" file sharing legitimate, that is as long as piracy is not being commited to make money but just on a personal leve it is perfectly fine.
The chances of that law getting passed are actually pretty good as far as I hear.



Taking all that into account I have to say as a comp sci student I don't really think that people should just go around downloading any and all software for free, I mean if you use the software and like it then support the developers and buy it.
Then again I don't think that copyright laws should be as crazy as they are in the US either, especially since most of the money made because of the crazy copyright laws never does go to benefit the actual developers but just goes to benefit some middle man that we could all do without.

[sLaYeR-eS-Me]

I'am pretty sure canada isn't just a free pirate nation where anything goes.. and you can have all the laws setup in the world, but there still needs to be some one to enforce them...

[luck777jojo]

no canada is not a free pirate nation.... it is illegal to host pirated files here.... it is not illegal to download them on the other hand

[Skyline_R34]

It's not going to get you sued. It costs thousands of dollars for a company to sue someone, and you can be sure they aren't going to spend it on some small time pirate with a couple of games.

Most you'll get, even in the U.S., is an email with a warning.

[luck777jojo]

unless you pirate music in the US then you can get sodomized for sharing a dozen or so songs :x

[cuteharez]

Althought alot of us does download copyright games for free. But if this goes on for too long game creator may stop making new games as there can't really get enough money for another project.

[Skyline_R34]

There is a motive to actually buy a game, to be able to play multiplayer properly. There's no motive for me to walk to the record store, sift through piles of rap shit to find a Ramones album at the bottom of the bin, pay and walk back home. If I got a free blowjob for every album tha I bought...

[alexkapi12]

Canadas copyright laws seems petty damn
Montreal in canada is the number 1 in software pirate
they are also number 1 in selling recorded movies and music:P

[luck777jojo]

Canada's copyright laws are perfectly fine, I say don't change em. I for one an not sufferent right now even though I'm in the comp sci field, there is still great demand and good paying jobs up the wazoo.

I say leave em, people buy their software and their games, etc. if not for the MP abilities then to support the authors... harsher laws would NOT benefit me, it would just allow the CEOs (who are useless anyways) have bigger homes and more money to fuel their Hummers and Ferraries.
I would not see a cent of that money and I fully understand that.


There is a motive to actually buy a game, to be able to play multiplayer properly. There's no motive for me to walk to the record store, sift through piles of rap shit to find a Ramones album at the bottom of the bin, pay and walk back home. If I got a free blowjob for every album tha I bought...

OMG you've figured out how to solve the music industry's problem... you should email RIAA, I for one would buy alot more of the crap music they push out now if it meant I could get a good BJ from one of the record store chicks for $15 :x

[sLaYeR-eS-Me]

Well my uncle works for the RIAA, (he's a big time Harvard lawyer) and he's been telling me to tell any one I know and their whole family to stop using p2p networks because most ISP's will be cooperating with the RIAA... and their pending investigation(s).

[[oC]pingu]

Well my uncle works for the RIAA, (he's a big time Harvard lawyer) and he's been telling me to tell any one I know and their whole family to stop using p2p networks because most ISP's will be cooperating with the RIAA... and their pending investigation(s).

my dad is a big shot hollywood producer and he also says not to use bit torrents to download the files because then the ISP will shot down the internet tubes to your house and you wont have an IP address. without an ip address, you can't surf the web and therefore you will be screwed.

[sLaYeR-eS-Me]

my dad is a big shot hollywood producer and he also says not to use bit torrents to download the files because then the ISP will shot down the internet tubes to your house and you wont have an IP address. without an ip address, you can't surf the web and therefore you will be screwed.

WE MUST DO SOME THING! :paranoid:


dm.. I know it seems pretty far out there right now but i have stopped using bit torrents and p2p. and you didn't have to be uber sarcastic on my ass ;)

[luck777jojo]

and i live in Canada so it's all legel here..... SCREW YOU RIAA!! ahahahahaha!!!!


not that I don't buy music when I feel like supporting an artist or go to their concert but...... I preffer not to get sodomized if my neighbour is sharing 5TB of music and then one day my IP gets switched with his because it's a ****ing DYNAMIC IP and I get sued for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[rand0m]

I may as well live in Canada because AOL don't seem to give a **** about what I download.

I rape bandwith every night with torrents and stuff like that.

No email, no letters, just a speed upgrade. Sure its AOL, but still.

[Java808]

yes i think u can get sueed for copywritiing even in canada if the maker feels like sueinbg him for copywrightiing the gaem and selling it

[alexkapi12]

i also get no emails or anything
rogers doesn't care;) ;) ;)
i like to copy games to my friends in toronto=) =)

[Ok3]

Yes, i guess since its the right thing lmao. For real, i don't actually care.

[luck777jojo]

yes i think u can get sueed for copywritiing even in canada if the maker feels like sueinbg him for copywrightiing the gaem and selling it
don't sell the game!!!

I mean I'm for not having crazy copyright laws but.... selling warez that is just wrong I mean that is where the line should be drawn. I agree with the new EU laws trying to get passed, if the person infringing on copyrights does it for a profit then sue them, let em rot in jail.

If, on the other hand, it's just a kid who downloaded a few songs or downloaded one game to check it out before deciding if it's worth bying it or not then I say it should be fine.

[rand0m]

If, on the other hand, it's just a kid who downloaded a few songs or downloaded one game to check it out before deciding if it's worth bying it or not then I say it should be fine.

If only it were that easy. Theres neverv a 'kid' who downloads a 'few' songs. They download thousands, and torrent games all day.

Once you start you can't stop. :(

[luck777jojo]

I know.... but..... I mean for me personally.... as long as people don't sell the small programs I did themselves they can download all they want.

But that's just how I see it for my work, others might think differently.

[scruie]

If only it were that easy. Theres neverv a 'kid' who downloads a 'few' songs. They download thousands, and torrent games all day.

Once you start you can't stop. :(

Rubbish, that's what the media want you to believe. Whilst they might start off downloading loads of files most generally cease when the novelty wears off, or they get infected with some nasty bit of malware. Plus the varying degree of quality is an issue for most.

Interesting this thread turned up now after all the articles I've been reading about Steve Jobs saying DRM isn't working (Thoughts on Music (http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/)). This has probably come on the back of all the anti-DRM and iTunes from the French government (LINK (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4833010.stm)) and the fact that something like less than 10% of music on an iPod was brought via iTunes stores.

In the UK you can legally make a 'backup' copy of any and all media without fear of breach of copyright due to our laws; just as with the Canadian Law (if I've understood luck correctly) so long as you do not sell it for profit.

[ossus]

I think downloading anything that is copyright withought the permission of the owner is illigal but we all do it anyways :P

[.eXc]

Downloading copyrighted games is illegal in ANY country...
In Africa they mightnot have adjusted there laws to it..
I'm not sure..

But in Canada it's illegal for SURE...


Greetz,
.eXc

[Dark Hacker]

Interesting this thread turned up now after all the articles I've been reading about Steve Jobs saying DRM isn't working (Thoughts on Music (http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/)). This has probably come on the back of all the anti-DRM and iTunes from the French government (LINK (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4833010.stm)) and the fact that something like less than 10% of music on an iPod was brought via iTunes stores.

DRM is the biggest shit ever. If i buy songs trough iTunes, i can't use them when i'm on stage. OR you should remove the DRM trough tunebite, which gives me no proof of ever having bought it. DRM is rediculous and it's the only reason why i still don't buy all my music.

[rand0m]

I don't buy my music simply because I don't

I will do on the rare occasion that I think the band deserves the income, but most of that is made through Touring the album anyway, not actual sales.