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luck777jojo
15th April 2007, 03:54
I've been hearing a lot of people talking about WUBI (http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html) lately so thought I'd give it a shot on the only system which I currently don't have running some distro of linux which was my laptop.

I've had many problems in the past with linux running on my laptop basically because I couldn't find a working driver for my wifi card (Intel A/B/G internal wifi card) and generally because it's a Toshiba there were other driver issues (since Toshiba is known for pretty crappy linux support on its laptops).

Now I’ve installed linux many times and configured most of my systems to dual boot both linux and windows in the past and I can’t say it was very hard, but partitioning and uninstalling could sometimes be a real bitch so after my initial failed attempts on getting my Toshiba laptop to properly work under linux I gave up on it.
In addition to that my laptop only has a 60GB hard drive so finding enough space to partition was hard considering that I’m a packrat and hate deleting anything. In fact on my desktops I prefer to purchase a new HD rather than delete some files or uninstall some programs, when I start running out of space.

In any case, I thought I'd give WUBI (http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html) a try since it promised me that I would not need to partition, the initial install would only take about 5GB and it would be extremely easy to uninstall it by simply double clicking an uninstall icon in windows in case something went wrong. Plus WUBI (http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html) is made to install Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) and I’ve never actually tried Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) before so I thought this might be a chance to try some new things and hopefully without many problems.

First thing I had to do was actually download the WUBI (http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html) installer. That part was pretty easy; I mean the whole WUBI (http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html) installer is only 10mb so it took me less than a minute to download on my cable connection.
After backing up all my precious porn I decided to give it a shot and double clicked the installer I just finished downloading. WUBI (http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html) presented me with a nice little window where it asked me a few questions such as which distro I wanted to install. There were only 3 choices which were: Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/), Kubuntu (http://www.kubuntu.org/), and Xubuntu (http://www.xubuntu.org/), they’re all slightly different version of Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) and I decided to go with just ubunu myself.
Now I feel that I should probably jot down in a few sentences the main differences between those 3 options:
Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) – the original version runs the GNOME GUI environment by default
Kubuntu (http://www.kubuntu.org/) – a modified version of Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) that runs the KDE GUI environment by default
Xubuntu (http://www.xubuntu.org/) – a “lighter” version of Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) designed specifically for less powerfull systems such as old Pentium 2’s

After I selected Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) from the choices I got a nice little “downloading” screen which showed me that the installer was now downloading a 700mb CD image of the distro. I can’t say the download went really fast but I could handle the average speed of 300k/s that means I had the file downloaded in about 45 minutes.
Now all this was happening in the background so I actually just opened up Command & Conquer 3 and played that which this was happening.
When I noticed that the download was finished I saved and quit out of C&C3 and decided to continue on with my experiment. WUBI (http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html) asked me where I wanted to install everything and suggested c:/wubi/ as the default location, I was fine with that so I clicked okay. It then asked me what I wanted to name my default user account and asked me for a password. After I entered all that information WUBI (http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html) started doing some funky install things which it did in the background as well so I decided to listen to some mp3 while it finished up. Unfortunately I didn’t get to listen to too much music because the whole “install” process took less than 15 minutes, after which I was told that I would need to restart to finish up the install.

Now this is the point where I made sure that I had backed up ALL the porn I had on my laptop and thought to myself “okay this is where shit starts screwing up”. Then I said a little prayer to the computer gods, something along the lines of “please don’t let everything screw up TOO bad” and pressed the restart button.
When the computer loaded up this time I saw the familiar black boot selection screen that lets you chose which OS you want to boot into, it had 2 options Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) and Windows. First thing was first I had to verify that my porn was still okay so I booted into windows this time around and found everything exactly where I left it. At this point in time I was quite happy that at least the automatic installer didn’t screw up my windows install so I restarted again and this time booted into Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/).

To my surprise I was faced with a blue linux configuration page which informed me that I needed to enter my username and password that I wish to use. It was a bit strange since I already did that in WUBI (HTTP://WWW.CUTLERSOFTWARE.COM/UBUNTUSETUP/WUBI/EN-US/INDEX.HTML) but it was not something that I found to be totally screwed up, just a minor bug that didn’t bother me too much. What did freak me out a bit was after I entered my username and password I got a little “installing linux” screen that started copying files onto the linux partition. I was a bit concerned that it might copy right over my windows install but there was no turning back now already.
This whole process took about another 15 or so minutes after which my computer rebooted. Fearing for my porn I once again booted into windows and checked that everything was okay. To my great relief everything booted fine and my porn was still there. So again I rebooted into Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) and was faced with a happy little orange log-in screen which asked me to enter my username and password. I did this and was taken straight to my desktop.

What I noticed first was that my wifi card was detected and was actually working, so naturally I set up my wifi connection first and checked that I could go on the internet. I then proceeded to install a few programs using the extremely easy interface of the add/remove programs application. It worked great simply by downloading whatever programs I had selected to install from the internet and installing them, not once did it even ask me to restart my computer.
After I finished doing that I decided to play around with the cool XGL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xgl) effects such as the spinning cube for the different workspaces and the wobbly windows when resizing. When I tried to turn that feature on I was told that I would need to install a third party driver for my nVidia card. I clicked okay and the installer did what it was supposed to and within 3 minutes the driver was installed. This time I was asked to restart so I did that, and when I booted back into Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) everything was working as it should have been working.

I was really happy to find out that Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) detected my Hard Drive and automatically mounted it even though it is NTFS formatted. So I went into my drive and tried to open up a .wmv video file. As I had expected the video player was not able to play the file straight out-of-the-box but it did pop up a nice little window which asked me if I wanted to download all the appropriate codecs. I answered yes and after a minute of downloading and installing the video was playing perfectly fine just like it had played in windows.

About this time I noticed a little icon in the top right corner of my screen which told me that I had some 368 updates that I should probably install. Still being mesmerized by how problem free and damn easy this whole thing was I stupidly clicked yes. The updated downloaded in about 30 minutes since there was some 400MB of them. And they all installed without a hitch, except when I booted up after a restart I noticed that my wifi card was no longer detected. So I went onto my desktop running SuSe (http://www.opensuse.org/) and after some searching found out that there was a known bug with one of the updates that caused some wifi cards to stop functioning.

I was “happy” to hear that Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) went the way of Windows in that the updates already have bugs when they’re shipped so that there is always something to fix next time around :P but after rolling back the offending package (which was as simple as uninstalling it) I found that my wifi card worked fine again.

After that little “incident” I played some more with all the programs, downloaded open office, browsed the internet and listened to some music all without any problems. Checked to make sure that I could access my porn through Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) and was pleased to see everything working as it should. Finally I left my laptop to download some legal torrents using the BT client in Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/), went to my desktop, booted it back into windows from SuSe (http://www.opensuse.org/) and continued playing C&C3.

All in all this was a really damn easy install, it was as simple as installing a program in windows. I always thought that installing a dual boot SuSe (http://www.opensuse.org/) system was easy but this simply blew that out of the water, I mean literally anyone who has ever double clicked an icon in windows could install this and have a dual boot windows/Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/) system.
The entire linux “partition” is basically a 5GB file on my hard drive and deleting the install is as simple as running the uninstall program from windows or removing WUBI (http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html) from the add/remove programs list in windows.

I would seriously recommend that everyone try this. First of all it is always good to have a backup OS to boot into that can easily access all your files just in case your primary OS fails and you need to do backups. Second because linux is cool and WILL get you laid. And finally because if any of you have ever thought about trying out linux but have either hated the idea of using bootable CDs and/or were afraid of doing a full out linux dual boot setup simple because you were afraid that something would screw up, this is a fool proof way of giving linux a shot.
It has all the positives of linux and none of the negatives of possible installation screw ups and partitions.

Links:
WUBI (http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html)
Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/)
Kubuntu (http://www.kubuntu.org/)
Xubuntu (http://www.xubuntu.org/)
SuSe (http://www.opensuse.org/)
XGL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xgl)
Compiz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiz)

scruie
15th April 2007, 09:38
Brilliant, I keep thinking about having a dabble with linux. I still might just use an old rig but if I can have a nice 'safe' way to dual-boot linux and XP then I might give this a bash.


Out of curiosity, what's the battery life like using Linux compared to XP on a laptop?

luck777jojo
15th April 2007, 10:52
haven't tested yet actually, my battery on my laptop is almost dead anyways I get at best about 40 mins out of it in Windows.

I would say it should be about the same with linux, I know a few people running linux on their laptops and they haven't had any difference in battery time (one is running ubuntu on a dell, one is running ubuntu on a Acer, and one is running Mandriva on a Toshiba)

And yes, this is probably the "safest" way to get a dual boot system, since your partition is basically a "fake" partition

Dark Hacker
15th April 2007, 12:46
Hmh... Well i should try it once, but i just can't work with linux. Maybe this summer when i have time to learn ;)

lemonsquash
15th April 2007, 19:19
wow awsome:cheeky: :laugh: :) :P

luck777jojo
16th April 2007, 01:52
Hmh... Well i should try it once, but i just can't work with linux. Maybe this summer when i have time to learn ;)
you really should, it's awesome... you can use beryl and get the cool cube rotating effects and all the rest of that stuff.

Now i feel like an ***** because I actually had to spend time installing all those and debugging on my other machines, here it's just point and click now :( :P

Dark Hacker
16th April 2007, 10:48
I'll just wait untill it gets out of beta. I can't afford losing this computer.

luck777jojo
16th April 2007, 20:14
meh up to you... but you're not going to lose your computer, worse case scenario you'll have to run chkdsk once if you really **** up in linux and corrupt that "virtual partition" file

Dark Hacker
16th April 2007, 21:50
Can't run Virtual DJ on linux anyways, and that 90% of the use of this computer...

luck777jojo
16th April 2007, 22:18
yeah you can.... well if it's a dula boot system there really is no need to but if it's a full linux system then it's as simple as installing VMWare (virtual machine) and installing windows on that. Then everytime you need to run something in windows you just double click the VMWare icon in linux it loads up a nice little window with windows in it (you can go full screen if you want) and just run anything you might want from there.

I mean c'mon DH give it a shot it'll only take up 1.5 hours of your time, and only 5GB of HD space.... think of it as a cool new program or game that you can try out and that has NO chance at all of screwing up your system :P

Dark Hacker
17th April 2007, 11:59
Is that like an emulator? Doens't that run alot slower then the real thing?

luck777jojo
18th April 2007, 11:21
if you're planning to pla C&C 3 in it then yes you might notice a difference in speed, if you're planning to use of to VDJ then.... no you won't notice a difference in speed especially if it's in full screen mode.

Augustus
19th April 2007, 06:44
Wow i actually found something useful in a news section , I plan on installing/running tomorrow when the new ISO is released (To lazy to manually download , and or switch the dl location in the files).

:) nice lucky777jojo

palidhjede
23rd April 2007, 22:55
I don't know about you guys but, when i downloaded the installer and entered the account info stuff and then i click next and i get an error message with the send or dont send options

Dark Hacker
23rd April 2007, 23:20
It's still in beta, maybe it's a bug? :)

luck777jojo
24th April 2007, 00:54
installed it on my laptop (that's when I made the review) plus after that I installed it at least on 3 more computers for friends and family and I haven't had any similar problems.

Are you sure you have enough free HD space?

Do you have a firewall or anti-virus running while trying to install?

Do you have any other programs running while tryint to install that might cause the error?

and finally.... biggest question.... are you running XP or Vista?

milkman666
26th April 2007, 22:38
very nice jojo, very nice.

Quick question about XGL. Did you have to go through the entire process of downloading/installing all of the x-server packages and such through terminal? or does it come with a sexy little button that just does it all for you like the initial install? :)

I have a spare hard drive that i threw ubuntu on for fear of losing shyte, like you, but I was never able to get XGL to work properly :(

luck777jojo
27th April 2007, 04:25
I haven't tried installing xgl (or rather beryl as the ubuntu version is called) on an ubuntu install before feisty fawn, so I cannot speak for older version of ubuntu.

For feisty all I had to do to install bery was download the beryl packages using Synaptic Package Manager (just search beryl and read the descriptions, it's pretty easy to understand which ones are required)
Then I just opened up terminal and typed:
sudo beryl-manager
that opened the manager screen where I could configure it.
after I configured it and made sure it worked without killing anything I added it to a startup item using the Session system tool

Finally I realized that the installer actually created a shortcut in the applications-> system tools menu so I didn't really have to type sudo beryl-manager everytime I wanted to open up the config manager :P

milkman666
27th April 2007, 14:58
oh . . . well that makes things WAY easier O_O

I was tryin to follow http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_Beryl_.28Nvidia.29 that guide and it didnt like me =(, but then again, I was using Edgy Eft. . . so I shall just re-install =]


Maybe this time my LAN connection wont be lame and not work at all . . . thx luck

is it actually running straight linux? or is it like emulating it through windows?

luck777jojo
27th April 2007, 22:28
it's sorta in between I guess. It's using some experimental drivers (that's why it's in beta) to actually use your existing NTFS partition and install linux on that having linux be able to run on NTFS and us NTFS

it's a bit wierd since it desn't have its own partition but because of the drivers it's not really an emulation either.

Personally I haven't noticed much difference in speed when comparing this to a full SuSe install on similar hardware.

milkman666
28th April 2007, 19:54
Just wanna reinforce what jojo said. The install was quick (roughly an hour and 20 minutes), everythings running clean and smooth, and no worries about losing all my porn ^_^. Even got XGL running thanks to a starting tip from luck XD . . . Now I just need to figure out how to get WINE working. . .or find something better.

Also, almost NO stress on my value system (athlon 4400, 2gb ram, geforce 7950) . . . all in all, I'd give it 5 faps out of 5

:wank: :wank: :wank: :wank: :wank:

Volatile
18th May 2007, 15:36
Go Gentoo XD

Augustus
6th June 2007, 01:29
Eh I installed it today , went smoothly 100% and ran fine.

But Then i tried music/audio. Then i find out i need to download plugins for it , np i use the built in downloader.

Then i have to MESS WITH THAT GODAMNED MIXER due to a huge amount of static and I had to change the input port as well :(.
It may be the fault of the port , as it acts awkwards when i run music through it on windows , but when i switch ports on windows its A++ quality , but on linux thats the only working one (The one that sounds like crap on windows)

Grade : B.

It would be A , if it was my fault/computers fault with the sound.

scruie
8th June 2007, 16:07
Just finished installing Wubi and Ubuntu. Don't mind telling you that there were a few nervous moments; but it all seems to be working.

Now all I need to do is get use to this format - having a play is the name of the game here.

Few problems: can't get this blasted thing to play video files I've downloaded off the net - missing codecs and all, tried the update thingy but still no joy. So a few n00b guides would help.
Next, being a Windoze user for over 10 years I'm too use to having internet security applications installed. So, which anti-virus and firewall do you guys recommend? I was looking at AVG Free for Linux, but no clue as to a firewall.
And how the devil do I get that fancy grahical interface to work? Is it Beryl or xgl or whatever?

As soon as I've got them sorted I'd be a happier geek.

luck777jojo
8th June 2007, 22:28
first for the "fancy graphical interface" I'm going to point you to this post: http://www.mpcforum.com/showpost.php?p=1793152&postcount=18
if you have any more questions about it post and I will go into more detail.

Next codecs... I suggest installing automatix: http://www.getautomatix.com/
that makes installing codecs, media players, etc. all very easy, just point and click.

Finally firewall and av.... linux is alot less prone to attacks than windows in general but if you must have software firewall and av they can both be obtained VERY easily by going:
Applications -> Add/Remove... -> make sure it says "show: all available applications" -> type in firewall or antivirus or virus scanner -> select the applications you wish to install -> click ok

the applications will install automatically. Remember this is linux not windows, not only that this is ubuntu which is considered one of the easiest linux systems to use, there is no need to download and install a bunch of applications 95% of the time. Most of the time if you need something it can be downloaded and installed automatically through the add/remove application.

cuteharez
9th June 2007, 08:17
I think clam AV is working on linux. http://www.clamav.net/

scruie
9th June 2007, 17:13
first for the "fancy graphical interface" I'm going to point you to this post: http://www.mpcforum.com/showpost.php?p=1793152&postcount=18
if you have any more questions about it post and I will go into more detail.


Keep forgetting you have an nVidia based card in you machine - makes life easier for you and 'nix. I've got an ATi 9700Mobile GPU in my laptop, and for some reason ATi doesn't like to play nicely with linux.
Activating the driver for the GPU crashed the machine, made the the hdd partition unbootable; neither Windows nor Ubuntu would load. Thankfully, being a resourceful geek I was able to fix the issue using UBCD4Win (http://www.ubcd4win.com/).

Did some research into ATi and beryl and found a few tuts to get it all working. So will give it another bash after I've digested the information.

One thing I did notice was that it has a screen-recorder 'built-in'. So am I correct in thinking that all I need do is activate it, use VMware to install Windows and then I can record some tutorials for my clients?


Next codecs... I suggest installing automatix: http://www.getautomatix.com/
that makes installing codecs, media players, etc. all very easy, just point and click.

Worked like a charm. However the videos play back a bit 'blocky', I'm guessing this is due to the graphics driver side of things. According to the System Resource Manager the machine has plenty of 'power' to run it all.


I'll leave the internet security side of things until I've sorted out all the other stuff and get a bit more comfortable using Linux.

Apart form the one or two teething problems, this has been quite an educational and enjoyable experiment. I might even go so far as to make a permanent dual-boot install on my main rig.

Thedarkenemy
9th June 2007, 20:57
Dude, why installing Linux anyway? It sux.

luck777jojo
9th June 2007, 21:56
Dude, why installing Linux anyway? It sux.
yeah I agree it does suck... but at least it sucks less than windows.


Keep forgetting you have an nVidia based card in you machine - makes life easier for you and 'nix. I've got an ATi 9700Mobile GPU in my laptop, and for some reason ATi doesn't like to play nicely with linux.
Activating the driver for the GPU crashed the machine, made the the hdd partition unbootable; neither Windows nor Ubuntu would load. Thankfully, being a resourceful geek I was able to fix the issue using UBCD4Win (http://www.ubcd4win.com/).

Did some research into ATi and beryl and found a few tuts to get it all working. So will give it another bash after I've digested the information.

One thing I did notice was that it has a screen-recorder 'built-in'. So am I correct in thinking that all I need do is activate it, use VMware to install Windows and then I can record some tutorials for my clients?



Worked like a charm. However the videos play back a bit 'blocky', I'm guessing this is due to the graphics driver side of things. According to the System Resource Manager the machine has plenty of 'power' to run it all.


I'll leave the internet security side of things until I've sorted out all the other stuff and get a bit more comfortable using Linux.

Apart form the one or two teething problems, this has been quite an educational and enjoyable experiment. I might even go so far as to make a permanent dual-boot install on my main rig.

for a full dual boot system I would suggest ubuntu as well, the cd install takes care of partitioning and everything automatically, just asks you how much you want to shrink your windows partition and goes from there ;)

scruie
10th June 2007, 22:06
Dude, why installing Linux anyway? It sux.

Trust me it doesn't suck. So far I've got a GUID that beats the pants off anything M$ has made so far - including Vista Areo, it's got a complete M$ compatible office suite, complete image editing tools, complete media editing tools and literally hundreds of other applications. And the best thing is that it didn't cost me a single penny.

That's right a complete OS and applications for free! If that sucks then I'm glad to become one of the world's biggest suckers. ;)


Highly recommend this to anyone that has enough spare hdd space and is willing to learn. The rewards are worth it.

luck777jojo
11th June 2007, 01:29
Trust me it doesn't suck. So far I've got a GUID that beats the pants off anything M$ has made so far - including Vista Areo, it's got a complete M$ compatible office suite, complete image editing tools, complete media editing tools and literally hundreds of other applications. And the best thing is that it didn't cost me a single penny.

That's right a complete OS and applications for free! If that sucks then I'm glad to become one of the world's biggest suckers. ;)


Highly recommend this to anyone that has enough spare hdd space and is willing to learn. The rewards are worth it.
I assume this post means you're slightly starting to turn?

Was the "add/remove" program what started it all, because I mean IMHO it's just awesome to have all that software available to install for free LEGALLY and by simply ticking a checkbox

scruie
11th June 2007, 17:10
I assume this post means you're slightly starting to turn?

Was the "add/remove" program what started it all, because I mean IMHO it's just awesome to have all that software available to install for free LEGALLY and by simply ticking a checkbox

For anyone with an nVidia based machine then yes, if you have a ATI based system then I would make sure your card is support - only if you want the fancy interface, or if you like to playback video.

That Automatix is a stroke of genius, especially for all newbs to the Linux world. Made installing the codecs I needed easy as point and click.

If I could get a decent ATi graphics driver to work on my laptop then I would have a permanent dual-boot system. When I get some spare time I'll try re-installing Wubi and test the other driver to see if I can get decent video playback; currently Windows beats the Linux side of it there as the video is smooth (no pixels). But I know that is just the driver and nothing more as it works on my nVidia desktop smoothly.

The only thing that worried me for a bit was the 'special' key; took me a while to work out they meant the 'Windows' key; now trying to figure out if it's special as in special powers or special as in needs.

luck777jojo
11th June 2007, 21:12
heh yeah it's "special" alright :P

as for ATI I seem to recall that AMD promissed to release the drivers as open source by the end of summer, so if that is done you can be assured that there will be good ATI drivers ready only weeks after it is released open source

scruie
13th June 2007, 16:04
heh yeah it's "special" alright :P

as for ATI I seem to recall that AMD promissed to release the drivers as open source by the end of summer, so if that is done you can be assured that there will be good ATI drivers ready only weeks after it is released open source

Hope so as that's the only thing really destroying my 'nix experience on my laptop. I like to watch movies/videos whilst sitting and waiting for machines to finish scans so have to boot into Windows to do that. Shame as under Linux my machine boots up quicker, battery lasts longer (no useless services/apps etc).

cuteharez
16th June 2007, 06:10
Cool i manually install Ubuntu and i love the effect of being able to switch workstation. The wobble effects shock my friend. But having some minor problems.

AVG updates can't be done. The swap drive of linux became another boot option. But guess it isn't big problems.

Btw is it possible to remove the remaining time at the OS selection screen.

luck777jojo
16th June 2007, 07:13
yes, though I wouldn't recommend setting it to less than 5 secs.... boot into windows

start -> run -> msconfig -> boot.ini -> change "timeout"

scruie
16th June 2007, 07:18
AVG on linux? Not tired it yet as I'm trusting luck and his 'you don't need it' comments.

cuteharez
16th June 2007, 10:17
Oh thanks luck.

luck777jojo
16th June 2007, 12:46
AVG on linux? Not tired it yet as I'm trusting luck and his 'you don't need it' comments.
well.... the one that you can get through the add/remove program will work just fine as will the firewall you can get from there, much easier to install and much less chances of something screwing up ;)

Nibbler26
19th June 2007, 04:23
Yea I been using linux for 3 months now , but I switched back to Windows for programming purposes and I like the Intel style ASM better then AT&T. For your driver issue , you might want to try out ndiswrapper.

MrFlame
19th June 2007, 11:42
wow thx

cuteharez
19th June 2007, 18:16
Luck Btw how do i removed AVG7.5 Debian distributions I look at add/remove there is no AVG. I search on all availble application and all open source application but it isn't there.

To others ubuntu user out there don't install AVG it screw up your linux. I recommend you ppl to use Firestarter and Virus scanner which can be found in add/remove application.

luck777jojo
19th June 2007, 20:56
Luck Btw how do i removed AVG7.5 Debian distributions I look at add/remove there is no AVG. I search on all availble application and all open source application but it isn't there.

To others ubuntu user out there don't install AVG it screw up your linux. I recommend you ppl to use Firestarter and Virus scanner which can be found in add/remove application.
Try to uninstall it with Synaptic Package Manager

if that doesn't work try this:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=426070

Virtuosofriend
20th June 2007, 12:04
Did i say that ubuntu rocks? Probably i did. What i didnt say tho, is that BERYL FOOKING OWNZ!

Thanks luck for the assistance on fixing it...oh god i love it. Only thing left to do is test the skydrome :) :) :)

scruie
21st June 2007, 04:52
Did i say that ubuntu rocks? Probably i did. What i didnt say tho, is that BERYL FOOKING OWNZ!

Thanks luck for the assistance on fixing it...oh god i love it. Only thing left to do is test the skydrome :) :) :)

Which driver are you using? I still can't get it to work on my 9700 Mobile GPU?

As soon as I get this sorted then I'm making a permanent Ubuntu install on my laptop - the accounts package has made my life so much easier. Instead of a database in Access having to be used in the M$ Money, GNUCash does the whole lot in one go or application to be precise: saves customer details, prints bills, does the books etc.

One thing I did note is that my battery lasts a little longer using 'nix, about 20 minutes - guessing it because I haven't got a bunch of un-necessary services and internet security running.

luck777jojo
21st June 2007, 05:04
Which driver are you using? I still can't get it to work on my 9700 Mobile GPU?

As soon as I get this sorted then I'm making a permanent Ubuntu install on my laptop - the accounts package has made my life so much easier. Instead of a database in Access having to be used in the M$ Money, GNUCash does the whole lot in one go or application to be precise: saves customer details, prints bills, does the books etc.

One thing I did note is that my battery lasts a little longer using 'nix, about 20 minutes - guessing it because I haven't got a bunch of un-necessary services and internet security running.
http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Eye_Candy

if you tried the first method and that did not work you should probably give the second method a shot since that is what worked for VF.

second method starts with the text: "Alternate method: Using closed source FGLRX drivers from ATI."

Virtuosofriend
21st June 2007, 12:24
luck how do you make skydrome work? I have ticked the option however i still cant figure out how to actually see the cube thing...


scruie, if beryl partially works after the guide luck gave you, do a fresh install of ubuntu and it will work 100%.
Just make sure you dont update beryl to the latest version because that will kill it ;)

scruie
22nd June 2007, 04:57
Looks like I'm having to do the re-install version.

Curious, what's the safe minimum partition to make for installing Ubuntu, GNCash and a few other choice apps?

Instead of Wubi, I might as well make this a permanent situation; currently gave Wubi a 10 gig share.

Virtuosofriend
22nd June 2007, 11:17
i think wubi sets it to 8 auto ,so i left it at 8.

I just hope that beryl works for you mate :)

luck777jojo
22nd June 2007, 11:43
Looks like I'm having to do the re-install version.

Curious, what's the safe minimum partition to make for installing Ubuntu, GNCash and a few other choice apps?

Instead of Wubi, I might as well make this a permanent situation; currently gave Wubi a 10 gig share.
ubuntu by itself not using wubi shouldn't need more than 8 - 10 GB that is including all the software you will even want but , obviously, not including space if you want to store music movies, etc.

that's my guess at least :P

BTW as far as I've read, the last version of ubuntu (Feisty Fawn) will take care of making partitions and everything itself when you start installing it from the CD... which should make it basically almost as easy to install as WUBI.

oh and... if you do the full cd install of Feisty I want a full review of the install process :P

Virtuosofriend
22nd June 2007, 18:25
If you do full install of feisty, you should create a partition?

luck777jojo
22nd June 2007, 23:03
if you do a cd install of feisty not a wubi install, wubi creates a sort of partition within a partition, it's not quite a virtual partition since it does not really run in the other partition but it is not a fully seperate partition in that it shows up as used space in the main partition.
(The grub bootloader is a pain in the ass to explain, sorry :P)

A CD install of feisty, on the other hand, does create a true partition. Like I said, though, I think it takes care of partitioning and everything by itself. At least that's what I heard, I mean none of my other linux installs did everything by themselves but supposedly feisty is easy like that.

Virtuosofriend
23rd June 2007, 01:58
Okay, i'll stick with the wubi for the moment...too hassle to backup my data

scruie
23rd June 2007, 02:06
Okay, i'll stick with the wubi for the moment...too hassle to backup my data

Lol, did all that before installing Wubi.

Will be doing this over the weekend. I'll test to see if Feisty does the partitioning before I make my own.

If all goes well, the first post will be from that new install.

Virtuosofriend
23rd June 2007, 11:13
Did beryl work for you?

PS. I did no backup :P

luck777jojo
23rd June 2007, 23:07
Did beryl work for you?

PS. I did no backup :P
I believe scruie said that he will be testing beryl when he does the full clean reinstall

Virtuosofriend
23rd June 2007, 23:53
must have missed it...been really stressed the past few days

scruie
24th June 2007, 01:25
This is the first post from a successful dual-boot installation of Windows and Ubuntu, as promised.

After using Wubi to test and more importantly acclimatise with the ways of Linux (Ubuntu flavour), and having used some of the FREE applications made available to me I decided to go the whole hog and have a 'proper' permanent dual-boot solution on my work laptop.

To test luck's belief that the installation CD would perform the partitioning tasks I decided not to partition the hdd with my favourite partitioning tool - Acronis Disk Director.
The Ubuntu CD did infact have a partitioning tool built in and was surprising easy to use, for one the disk sizes were in gigabytes and not megabytes like Microsoft use. This meant no need for rough (and I do mean rough) mental calculations to work out the partition sizes. However, this is were I hit my first snag. Having decided to use a 10gig partition for Linux I thought that all I need to do was type in 10gig for the partition size; however if I inspected the text more closely I would have noticed it meant the size of my Windows XP partition and not that for Ubuntu.

This mistake was fixed by using the boot CD from Acronis Disk Director to re-size the partitions afterwards. Shame really as this error was all my fault and not that of the Ubuntu installation. Though I guess it could have been more clearly stated.

Installation took about an hour and a half; the partitioning took most of that time - slow laptop hdd.

And Beryl finally works!

luck777jojo
24th June 2007, 03:11
hehe nice.... so how are you liking beryl :P

BTW... when you have some time and want to have a bit of fun, install nessus, and have that do a full security scan of any of your windows systems.
Nessus is an awesome free security tool and alot of fun too :P

Virtuosofriend
24th June 2007, 12:12
Yay, 2/2 for beryl with ATi ;)

scruie
24th June 2007, 18:45
hehe nice.... so how are you liking beryl :P

BTW... when you have some time and want to have a bit of fun, install nessus, and have that do a full security scan of any of your windows systems.
Nessus is an awesome free security tool and alot of fun too :P

I said it works, doesn't mean I've gotten use to it yet.

A slight snag is with screen resolutions; in Windows the resolution is 1280x800 but when trying to run that in Ubuntu it corrupts the screen - even with re-boot.


Yay, 2/2 for beryl with ATi ;)

Yeah, but I had to do the re-install method. Also the first solution worked for me as I've got an older 9700 GPU not the newer x1900 series you have.

luck777jojo
24th June 2007, 23:47
I suspect it might be a driver issue with the resolution as well :x

Shoulda gotten a laptop with nVidia :P

Virtuosofriend
25th June 2007, 04:01
ATi should start support linux...it is getting ridiculous.

scruie
25th June 2007, 17:52
I suspect it might be a driver issue with the resolution as well :x

Shoulda gotten a laptop with nVidia :P

Maybe, but I like my little laptop - it runs Windows just fine :)

Is there a way to edit the GRUB (?) boot.ini? Currently it has the following options;

Generic Linux
Generic Linux (Recovery)
Generic Linux
Generic Linux (Recovery)
Generic Linux + memtest

Other;

Windows XP

Under Wubi it was just two:

Windows XP
Ubuntu

And in that order. If it can't be done then I'll revert back to Wubi and be done with. I use this machine for work, with all customers on Windows so I need XP often.

ATi should start support linux...it is getting ridiculous.

Think you might find that ATi/AMD will sort out drivers rather quickly now as Dell is supporting Linux. Really don't think ATi/AMD can afford to lose any more money to Intel nor nVidia.


EDIT: Attached copy of grub boot list.

cuteharez
25th June 2007, 20:15
Is there a way to edit the GRUB (?) boot.ini? Currently it has the following options;

Generic Linux
Generic Linux (Recovery)
Generic Linux
Generic Linux (Recovery)
Generic Linux + memtest

Other;

Windows XP


Scruie the same things happen to me also after all you need to do is edit the boot command. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=481185&highlight=boot+menu
Refer to that thread it show the command to edit.

scruie
26th June 2007, 00:36
Have a horrible feeling I'll only bugger this up. Wonder if it'll be easier to use something like Acronis Boot Manager instead?

From what I've read, I think I can just remove the lower numbered versions of Ubuntu from the grub list - as if I've understood them correctly they are the kernal number; the highest being the latest version.

cuteharez
28th June 2007, 11:21
Not sure if Acronis Boot Manager works on it maybe you can give it a shot.

scruie
22nd September 2007, 04:43
Whilst doing some more research into getting beryl and ATi to play nicely I stumbled across this: Envy (http://albertomilone.com/index.html).

Envy: It is an application (written in Python and PyGTK) which automates the installation of both ATI and Nvidia's proprietary driver on Ubuntu ...

What is Envy?:

"Envy" is an application for Ubuntu Linux and Debian written in Python and PyGTK which will:
1) detect the model of your graphic card (ATI and Nvidia cards are supported). However "Manual installation" is also available
2) download the right version of the proprietary driver for your ATI or Nvidia card from ATI or Nvidia's websites
3) handle the dependencies (compilers, OpenGL, etc.) (according to your OS version and kernel) required to build the module
4) install/uninstall the driver
5) set up your xorg.conf (i.e. the configuration file of the Xserver) for you (according to your system specifications)
6) restart the Xserver for you (if you wish so) (this feature is available only in the textual interface)...

Wondered if anyone else has seen or even used this successfully with ATi.