DMW anti-cheat opinions wanted

[moriez]

Hi.

I would like to hear serious opinions about what we think about DMW. How good/bad are they at what they stand for. Comments on the organisation as well as the technical side (catching cheats) are welcome.

Please found your opinion and keep it clean:)

[moriez]

To kick it off myself: what you see is what you get with DMW.

+They have a nice list of daily caught cheats(see).
-What does them in is the bypassing issue and at what rate that is done I cannot even estimate(dont see).
-They lack updates because of ´the development of DMW pro´ but IMO thats just unprofessional. It seems they have 9-5 jobs so what can you expect really.
-Organisation and communication I dont have clear insight on but my impression is that its pretty sloppy. Maybe some of you saw the news that they put on the frontpage last week and took off again after community complaints. :paranoid:

All in all, DMW as a whole is mediocre at most, isnt it?

Please comment and/or add your opinions..

[The Haxor]

DMW = SHITE
thats all i can say
im glad people will ACTUL knowledge making a antiCheat aka m0d etc

DMW = a bunch of kiddies that ban clean players cause they have skill.

Ive been banned numerous times for Mohaa.exe even after a fresh reinstall ghey ?

[moriez]

Thanks for your reply:)

im glad people will ACTUL knowledge making a antiCheat aka m0d etc?

I dont get this. Can you clarify?

DMW = a bunch of kiddies that ban clean players cause they have skill.

What experience makes you say this?

Ive been banned numerous times for Mohaa.exe even after a fresh reinstall ghey ?

The mohaa.exe out of the box? Did they give you a reason?

[m0d hipp¥]

Alright first things first.
1. I disagree, DMW scripters ARE very knowledgable. Considering the fact that they used to have 2 of our own ex hackers working for the crew was a damn good idea. Who better to know how hacks work than a hacker themselves. For those of you that don't know who I am referring to, I am talking about virussss & N30. Both very intelligent individuals. David Cashy also seems very knowledgeable, I just don't think he's putting the time and effort to "really" create a solid state AC.

I have yet to see DMW Pro in action, so I can't really talk about that since it is still in progress.

I've talked to Dave on many occasions and offered to give him some tips and ideas on how to make DMW better. Dave seemed interested, though he wanted to use his own execution as far as hacks are concerned.

Here are 2 important factors to consider when looking at a solid AC.
1. Protection - unfortunatly UPX doesn't cut it. It's easier than hell to break and exploit. DMW Pro, is supposedly using a custom encrypion method that doesn't export any functions, basically making the file invisible. My theory is, alright not bad, I'm nowhere near a cracker, but I'm sure since it's entirely handled clientside there is some potential of it being cracked.

This brings me to my second point. I understand that DMW is server <-> clientside, the problem the only portion that is really serverside is the part that authenticates the clients in the server. If a AC focused to do as much serverside as possible, they would be ahead of the game, however I don't see what it is, whether their just lazy at looking into methods of blocking\stopping things serverside (because in all honesty it's ALOT harder stopping something serverside than clientside), or what their reasoning is, but that would honestly make the difference of night & day if they just knew what their working with and if they realized that some things are just better protected when serverside. And it's possible.

I believe Haxor was referring to me above, because unlike every other AC, my friend and I we KNOW that clientside protection can only do so much. That's why our primary priority in making the patch that we have been working on, is to do as much serverside as possible. And as I said, it may be harder to accomplish, but its the difference of night and day. And although it may be harder at first to fix, it saves time in the end because you won't have to keep patching what people manage to bypass, since it's handled serverside.

[0verdrive]

Let me tell you this:
if you are friends with a certain dmw staff member you will never get banned
there's a few dmw-staff-members that play on clanbase.com and if you join his team and he eventually trusts you, he will make sure no clanmember is able to be banned.

it made dmw a lot more fun ;)

[dM]

Let me tell you this:
if you are friends with a certain dmw staff member you will never get banned
there's a few dmw-staff-members that play on clanbase.com and if you join his team and he eventually trusts you, he will make sure no clanmember is able to be banned.

it made dmw a lot more fun ;)

you're speaking out of your ass there.

[T0m]

you're speaking out of your ass there.
OMG, his ass can talk?!

[m0d hipp¥]

haha

and yes, I am friends with virussss, though hes been doing his own thing for a while and is no longer affiliated with DMW, I would say him and N30 were both good people, not just hackers but very knowledgeable coders. As far as Cashy is concerned, I've heard mixed things about him, but personally, I have nothing against him. In this community (not just MPC, but the entire MOHAA community)noone is trusted, so if there have been false positive reports of a user with DMW, I wouldn't be surprised.

[x3]

They don't even checksum the processes.

cheat name atitool.exe ftw.

[moriez]

Nice to see some replies. Thanks to you m0d for your clear insights.

Let me tell you this:
if you are friends with a certain dmw staff member you will never get banned
there's a few dmw-staff-members that play on clanbase.com and if you join his team and he eventually trusts you, he will make sure no clanmember is able to be banned.

Did you experience this yourself or did you hear about it?

you're speaking out of your ass there.

No offence but how can you be sure of that?

They don't even checksum the processes.

cheat name atitool.exe ftw.

So this cheat still works atm?

[Shard]

I've been testing out a clienthook with no anti-cheat protection whatsoever on random servers, a lot of which have had DMW enabled, and I haven't been caught once. 'Nuff said.

[moriez]

Calling The Haxor, 0verdrive, dM and x3 to reply to my questions. Id like to get the picture as clear as possible. Thanks for your time:)

[0verdrive]

Did you experience this yourself or did you hear about it?

Yes I'm friends with a staff member and yes I do play in the same clanbase team as him. That's all I m gonna say, I heard dmw checks these forums too.

[m0d hipp¥]

It would be stupid for DMW to NOT check these forums to see what people are talking about. I'm sure people from these forums also check DMW forums occasionally. Anywho, DMW just had an update yesterday, so hopefully their pre-emptive system isn't as glitchy and as easy to bypass as it previously was.

[0verdrive]

the last update will now detect interception v2.. and appie got banned from netcoders because of it :cool:

[m0d hipp¥]

well sucks for him, but good for DMW. Their finally getting their stuff together.
So you see in a way, even though I'm totally against releasing bypasses especially leaking, this community is really helping out with the patching portion of it. GG keep it up guys.

[moriez]

the last update will now detect interception v2.. and appie got banned from netcoders because of it :cool:

Looks like hes back and did some updating since then himself. Check out those features. Thats a way to make DMW obsolete:

Interception DMW Tools - Features
Interception has developed advanced Anti-DMW tools.


Here's a short list of the options:

Hardware unbanner
Account unbanner
Hardware unlinker
ANTI-Leak
DMW-AntiCheat Proof
100% Anonymous!

[0verdrive]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kGLlqfaqTmw

^you might want to check out this youtube clip about dmw :paranoid:

[moriez]

My oh my. Quite interesting..

[tenniswild65]

DMW is hardly upgraded enough so after an update get back to work an your set for a while... lame at best