Guys Cheating Hurts

[IOd]

Full Article: http://www1.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-12/24/content_292964.htm

Hilights
"at least 60 per cent of Chinese Internet game players use software to cheat on online games, which causes a daily loss of 100,000 yuan (US$12,000) for those Internet game producers. "

"found more than 100,000 users were using cheating software in a popular Internet game called "Mu""

>How many of those were lothei? this article was published before MUproxy was around so im guessing alot, no wonder he wanted to make some money

""I really don't know what fun and satisfaction cheating in games to achieve a senior level can bring," he said. "

>Satisfaction is 'senior level' fun is doing a months work in under a week.

[-Comando-]

Hehehe can't do anything else than laugh about it.. =)

[nightmare]

HOW can cheating cuase losses to industries?If that was really true then cheating would be illegal.

[IOd]

What happens when you cheat at the olympics or a casino?

When people cheat other people get pissed and leave the game I think, so they get less customers.

This is funny since MU is the firt of it's kind in Korea, 4 years in the making and it's all falling apart with accounts being hacked, people power leveling, etc.

[barry_white]

You mean cheating is hurting that repressive communist country (China)? Man, that's cool

[insanexangel]

i hate communist so hurting them is good

i hate communist so hurting them is good

[nightmare]

Well then why would free games like mu get hurt since they are free

[IOd]

As far as I know MU isn't free it's just free for now.

[BaGGy]

I think that article is aimed more towards server emulation...

[barry_white]

Originally posted by IOd
As far as I know MU isn't free it's just free for now.

Basically, you're saying it's free.

[o({})o]

Hurting profits? Heaven forbid :x. I guess they have to schedule their users into their budget a little better than.

[nightmare]

Originally posted by barry_white


Basically, you're saying it's free.

Yeah but then we get the next question,for how long.

[m261182]

well i like cheating in online games and none of the cheats have hurt me :D anyway cheating makes game developers look at whats happening and create a better game to stop it and so us cheaters are in fact helping them

[nightmare]

Or better anti cheating programs.

[Shagor]

I donno why cheating can make a loss of money to the industry...maybe cause they have to spend some time to patch the bugs we use to cheat. But if i pay for a game i also want to have a game that is cheating free.
And so some bugs should not exist at all.
But when the admins are too lazy to fix their games, they should not blame us to use these "open doors"...

[nightmare]

They need to patch every game anyways,even then non big scale cheating ones,look at ofp(operation flashpoint) a new patch comes ut ervy 2 weeks but the game has no cheats at all so it doesnt make no sence at all that patches make losses to game industries.

[fallx1]

IMHO this is the loss of money cause:
if you cheat you advance quicker ergo spend less time in game, you pay less money for shorter playing time.

[nightmare]

Yeah but thats in p2p games,not in free games.

[fallx1]

Right. But theres only info bout the loss of online games industry in china, and they gave an exemple of mu, as far as i know articles are build that way:
you have a topic , write some blahblahs , then give an ex. (doesnt have to be correct or make any sense). i havent read any decent gaming article in a global/nationwide newspaper, they always seam to get all the facts wrong...
i mean guys how many mu gamers read articles in chinadaily ?

[nightmare]

Lol none,I think.

[IOd]

fallx1 if you have cheats dont you spend more time in the game? I would have quit MU if I had to do everything legit but now thanks to cheating I will be on way more then before. It may not be like this for everyone but cheats encourage me to play a game.

[fallx1]

i know what you mean, but it may not be the same for all players some n00bs (i dont mean low lvl chars, just people who are lame) get muproxy at lvl 9 go up to 100 i like 2 weeks start to pk and after a week or to they quit beacause in their little minds they think that they are masters know all been all. for me some more speed in the game was "refreshing" but we have to accept the 1000s noob-pk-ks-10 year olds (no offence ment for the 10 yr olds) playing in the cyberspace...

[nightmare]

Yeah but how will you stop that,its impossible.

[fallx1]

i know. shame isnt it ;) ? but still there maybe some hope i've just read about polish group called ACA (Anti Cheat Associaation) they play Enemy Territory and whenever they spot a cheater they get his ip address from an admin and mail them the updated list to all friendly admins, so a cheater cant really play.

ps sorry for the (not so) off topic post
ps i dont play EE so dont ask about it, iam telling what ive read

[insanexangel]

i wanna help fight the cheaters

[nightmare]

LoL not that they can catch me on ET I just change my ip and boom the old ip is gone.

And guys we are going anti cheating here plz lets change to another subject.

[Striknine]

I hope the moderators will not delete this reply, as it might be considered offensive.

The fact that you people spend so much time and energy on using hacks and cheats to play a game (not to mention it's free) astounds me!!! I understand about cheating in a normal game, but multiplayer things start getting weird.

1. if you can hack or cheat, then why dont you cheat a bank or an insurance company or some goverment? Cheating and hacking in a free online game is simply illogical. Okay you do it because you can, and since u can do it, u want to show off. I get real respect for my 100+ character, so I dont need to show off.

2. ppl play games for fun, for the excitement of accomplishment. They play for progressing in a virtual world, in equal terms with the other gamers, so that they will feel proud about their characters. I dont play to finish the game, because there is no finishing. I play so that me and my friends can talk and have fun online, exchange items, trade, kill together. 90% of the time hackers are alone and not in parties. You guys are even missing out on one of the games most fun features.

3. Cheating as a word online means the same as offline. It's cheating. Normal Game cheats are okay, sure, but I think MMORPG cheats are disrespectful for the other players online. These are real people playing, each with their own real life and real character. I think that cheaters who cheat online other players are no better than real life cheaters, thay have the same morals, and they are the same low-level real people... (too bad u cant level up with a cheat in real life huh?)

Sorry if anybody got offended... I hope with this post I might change some u ppl's hearts...

[nightmare]

We cheat because we can.That is my reply to your post.

[Striknine]

Originally posted by Striknine

Okay you do it because you can, and since u can do it, u want to show off. I get real respect for my 100+ character, so I dont need to show off.

and this is my reply to ur post, tell me something I dont know...

[nightmare]

Look if you dont have anything usefull then I suggest you go register yourself at punksbusted or ua and complain about cheaters there.

[IOd]

I think he's just showing us his opinion from the point of view of non-chaters on cheaters.

1. If you had to walk to the store and you had a bike lying around your front lawn would you get on the bike and get there a lot faster or walk and get there last except for the few people whocome after you? Especialy if maybe 50 other people were going to the same store, half of them on bikes.

2. I have lots of fun going PKing and taking down an elite yetis at lvl 15. I feel proud that people I started playing with are at level 30 and i'm more then double. I always go cheating in a party with my (cheating) friends because it looks less suspicious.

3. Cheating has always been around and always will be. It may be discrespectful to othr players but I've seen many many people who deserve some disrespect on MU. I think it's OK to cheat with proxy set at 4 or 3 or even 2 but not higher than that, a lot of people who get it here probvably have new chars. want to level fast and set it at 500.

[IOd]

In my other post here
http://mpc.ipx10411.ipxserver.de/forum/showthread.php?threadid=33640
i was accused of being an anti-cheater which i am NOT but i am against cheats being in the wrong hands. Cheats are like guns or cars, used responsibly in the right hands they are wonderful and can bring great things but when they fall into the hands of somone who will use them for personal gain (like selling them for bless) or who uses them without care (MUproxy set at 500) it makes me mad and I want them to stop.

[Deso]

Cheating only hurts the poorly designed and coded games.

I feel no simpathy when i'm hacking games to find that the programmer took several shortcuts or just plain did something horribly stupid.


If it's hackable then the *****s who ran the game are responsible for the loss of profit that ensues.

Biosfear has recently attempted to "fix" against the proxy yet the sad fact was I just had to simply replace what it send with the real user/password and their fix was fixed in 2 secs.

Not to mention the horrible netcode they chose to use which wasin plain ascii english and the fact that client positioning was controlled by the client and that it has numerous flaws in the actual design of it.

It's simply due to the fact that the "programmers" decided to simply purchase a premade game and barely know how to operate it correctly.

Game developers usually hire a senior security analysist to pick apart their actions and tell them what they need to do. Biosfear was going to hire but what i heard that DonCorleone the one that was willing to work with me was fired.

Well sufficit to say i'm going to be finishing up an extremely powerful bot that works on all Laghaim game engines and is extremely capable of not being detected since it will behave more like a real client or can be made to act totally unrestricted. Not to mention the fact that you will be able to have multiple accounts running in a group or clan much like what clan ASH was doing except they had real players.

I intend to have an AI army that accompanies me so it appears as a legit hunting party.

This way i have multiple accounts and can give them to my friends to work with.

[IOd]

sounds cool Deso post it here when you're done.

[hopedenial]

I love the way a simple post can turn into racism..."I hate communists so it's good to hurt them..." What do you know about communism? chances are you are a 12 year old little boy who believes everything mister george dubya tells him. hate to break it to you bro, but george is lying to you.

Oh man i have to respond again to iod...holy christ..."Cheats are like guns or cars, used responsibly in the right hands they are wonderful and can bring great things..." Lol, yeah, man we all know what great things guns have brought us...look at vietnam, look at serbia, look at ****ing iraq...yeah, guns in the right hands (ie americans) bring us great things such as murder and death...god i love me some guns...oh man, once ************s went down i went looking for another cheating community...stumbled on this shit hole...glad to say this will be my last post and my last visit to this page seeing as how it is frequented by racists and ignorant-pro war ****ing tards. man you people make me physically ill, you are everything that is wrong with america. and believe me, there is a lot of shit wrong with america...but of course you wouldnt know that because you get your news from cnn and abc...we all know those are unbiased corporate empires...christ...im going to go kill myself now...maybe ill be reincarnated as something more useful than an american...maybe a ****roach...then at least maybe i could make a difference.

ok last time i promise...just reviewing my post and noticed that not only is C-O-C-K roach, censored, but so is...U-N-K-N-O-W-N-C-H-E-A-T-S.C-O-M....wtf? god forbid people see the name of a cheat site that is actually worthwhile...hey moderators, just do me a favor, ban me all you want, im not coming back anyway, but please dont delete my post until people get a chance to read it...lest you become like the communists your visitors so hate....

[IOd]

Hate to break it to you bro but communist is a form of government not a race :D

And yeah i know my analogies are really stupid :D

[hopedenial]

thank you for the lesson, but i was referring to the Chinese specifically, not comunnists in general. If you will look back, another poster made a reference to the Chinese. and no "communist" is not a form of governemt. communISM maybe, but communist...no

[IOd]

Com·mu·nist ( P ) (kmy-nst) n.

A member of a Marxist-Leninist party.
A supporter of such a party or movement.
A Communard.
often communist A radical viewed as a subversive or revolutionary.

adj.
often communist Relating to, characteristic of, or held to resemble communism or Communists.
communist Supporting, advocating, or serving to further communism: communist propaganda.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

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communist

\Com"mu*nist\, n. [F. communiste.] 1. An advocate for the theory or practice of communism.

2. A supporter of the commune of Paris.


Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

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communist

adj : relating to or marked by communism; "Communist Party"; "communist governments"; "communistic propaganda" [syn: communistic] n 1: a member of the communist party [syn: Communist] 2: a socialist who advocates communism [syn: commie]


Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

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Still not a race. I'd explain what it means but i'm hoping you can read for yourself.

"but i was referring to the Chinese specifically"

Really where? Oh I must have missed this part where you are talking about specifically who you're refering to:

"I love the way a simple post can turn into racism..."I hate communists so it's good to hurt them..." What do you know about...."

I find it strange that the word chinese is not even in that post.

"hey moderators, just do me a favor, ban me all you want, im not coming back anyway..."

Stop contridicting yourself and go away already. I'm sure you have nothing better to do anyways so
here. (http://www2.b3ta.com/mind-control/)

[hopedenial]

wow look at you...you looked that word up all by yourself...I wasn't aware that there was a debate over the definition of communist. I merely pointed out a grammatical error on your part. What can I say, i enjoy arguments, thats why i keep showing up every time you reply...so if you really dont want to hear any more out of me, quit replying to my post. Unless you feel like you have something to prove to me our others that frequent this board that should not be a problem. Now, lest you want to continue feeling really dumb quit ****ing replying to my post and trying to one up me.

Haha, that's a great page btw. Kill yourself...man that's funny shit. It makes me kind of sad that a simple exchange of words and/or ideas can lead to that kind of animosity. I don't know about you, but I don't really take suicide lightly seeing as how on January 4th my best friend intentionally oded on oxycontin and died. And I myself have been in and out of the emergency room and institutions since i was 11. Do me a favor, try to correct me and argue with me all you want. Just don't joke around with a serious subject. Granted all I may be to you is a few typed words on a monitor, but try and think about the repercussions of things you may say or joke about. The person you are talking to may not find them so amusing.

[insanexangel]

close this its all bs and communists i hate communists

[D3CRYPT]

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