Get around PB

[Neo_S]

Hi. I am a player of the BF clan community. I am not here to stop you from making cheats, that is not my intention at all. I am just wondering if there is any way to get around PB. Now you might wonder why I'm asking you this.. I just want to know if the clan community need to get in BFSecure in the different cups and tournaments out there.

On my behalf you are more than welcome to use the cheats on public servers, but it doesnt belong in competitive gaming. So I ask you again, is there any way to get around PB? I don't wan't to know how, I just wan't to know if it's possible. Thank you for your time.

[caliber1942]

it's possible. . . . there are significant numbers of people (not 1/2 of the players or anything but enough of them) still using hacks, especially the radar hack. actually the best way to catch a radar hack user is to use a radar hack to watch the players and the game. as far as getting around it, i don't think i would call it getting around it, but it doesn't catch everything. i do think it helped reduce the number of cheaters substantially. if i were you i would use everything in my disposal at these tournaments to try and make sure they were even and fair. by the way, i DO see lots of so-called clan members who are cheating when they play the EA servers online (i guess for fun or training). its the TRUTH- there are probably very good coders/programmers/hackers who are completely getting around pb totally, but that would be the rare exception and i for one am only an average skilled hacker. pb simply made the hacker community tp be less vocal and less public with their work. not sure if this helped or was what you wanted to hear.

peace-
caliber

[Turkot]

Originally posted by Neo_S
Hi. I am a player of the BF clan community.

On my behalf you are more than welcome to use the cheats on public servers, but it doesnt belong in competitive gaming. Let me play the devil's advocate here with this statement.

It's nice to know that you advocate cheating in public servers. I'm sure the owners of those servers appreciate that. I don't see a difference. Just because you are playing 'competative' doesn't mean anything to me. The servers are the same and cost the same to run. Just because you put a label on yours doesn't exclude you. No server is 'public' as you put it. All servers are private property. I just love it when you clannies figure your matches on your servers are special. Talk about elitism.

Cheating is cheating and it is a personal choice where someone cheats. It has nothing to do with some servers being more special than others. You guys should get over yourselves. All gametypes are the same.
In the mean time I'll see you in a match, before you see me :cool:

[dacruel]

hi neo and welcome to this forum...
your tolerant attitude reminds me of dr k., who actually programmed the first version of bfsecure. in his eyes cheating during a clan-match is (so to say) a "moral delinquency", whereas public-cheating can be tolerated and in his case can be supported. this support led to bf 1.6 and pb to get rid of cheaters. nevertheless such guys like daz appeared and made us an offer, we couldn't refuse, resulting in a global ban. daz showed us a way around pb by attacking it directly. but as long as you release your work to the public this direct pb-attack will be detected and result in a perm-ban.

1.) pb can be f00led via api-hooking
2.) to avoid detection everyone has to write his own cheat (required) with anti-pb-functions (optional -> get around screenshot-function)

anyhow 100% security is utopian but bfsecure - in the hands of UA - might make clan-matches a bit safer. :)

[Neo_S]

Thanks for your input guys, it is very interesting. So if I have understood this correct, most home made cheats with some decent sort of anti-pb function will work. Am I right?

Turkot: I think I get your point and if I have gotten it right you are saying that you will cheat on every server, no matter what its rules say. Fine, as long as its a public server you can do whatever you want. Well, as it looks you can do whatever you want anyway. But what I'm saying is that when you are supposed to play another clan, 10 other people who wants to compete, see who's the best, and so on, it is morally wrong to use not allowed means to win. Its like sportsmen who uses drugs to win the race, you arent competing on the same conditions as the opponent. On official matches and practise wars cheats should not be used, thats my opinion. Anyway, I'm not trying to convert you here or something, just saying what I feel.

Thank you very much Caliber1942 and dacruel. Your input means alot. If you don't mind I will paste this link forward to some league admins. But only if its OK with you guys.

Thanks again

[MarlonB]

Originally posted by Neo_S
Hi. I am a player of the BF clan community. I am not here to stop you from making cheats, that is not my intention at all. I am just wondering if there is any way to get around PB. Now you might wonder why I'm asking you this.. I just want to know if the clan community need to get in BFSecure in the different cups and tournaments out there.

On my behalf you are more than welcome to use the cheats on public servers, but it doesnt belong in competitive gaming. So I ask you again, is there any way to get around PB? I don't wan't to know how, I just wan't to know if it's possible. Thank you for your time.

You think someone who is able to stop PB, wouldn't be able to stop BFsecure ??
I really never bothered about Bfsecure.....but i've heard from people who needed only a few minutes to stop it.....

If i were you, i would stick to PB....they have much more backing, and for sure have a HELL lot of more reasons to get their sh*t together...


Don't ever take a fence down until you know why it was put up.
-- GrandmarlonB 5:37 --

[chilli]

cheating and deceiving an opponent is part of art of war, wether you play online or not makes no difference, you play to win (and its more true with clan matching). what is morally wrong is to aim at civilians. and excuse me i dont see any civilians harmed in this game lol. so guys please stop with this "morally wrong" nonsense..

[caliber1942]

neo- you can paste what i wrote, i don't mind. like i said, it is the truth. i can see it with my own eyes (and my radar).

turkot- you are right. cheating is cheating. i personally am not cheating so i can own someone's *ss on a public server and be number one and all of that bs. i enjoy the hacking aspect of it more than anything (the joy of tweaking the game and getting it to do different things) and probably play less than the average bf1942 player. however, if i was playing a tournament and wanted to know who really was the best, especially if it was a group of us, then if there were a substantial chance that cheating could be brought into it, then i would welcome any and all methods that could be used to detect a cheater and then remove that group or person from the tournament if they got caught. the point is that there are still people cheating, some of who use clan acronyms in their names, and that if your clan is going against another clan then it is possible that cheating could be going on and affect the outcome. i don't think there is enough cheating going on right now with punkbuster in place to warrant any big change in public servers. it didn't used to be that way. a LOT of players were using hacks with 1.5. however, his question was is it possible for people to get around pb and the answer is yes, although the numbers of people are down substantially and the best of the best hacks which probably completely bypass pb are extremely rare and you ain't gonna see those types of hacks posted online for the public.

i think it is neat that you have groups going head to head and they want to see who is truly the best clan or whatever. i hope that the tournaments or matches can be done without the spectre of cheating. cheating is still cheating whether online on a public server or in clan matches. but i guess at least for me personally i think it is wrong to do so when you know that it is a tournament and not just regular gameplay.

peace-
caliber

[Turkot]

Turkot: I think I get your point and if I have gotten it right you are saying that you will cheat on every server, no matter what its rules say. Fine, as long as its a public server you can do whatever you want. Well, as it looks you can do whatever you want anyway. But what I'm saying is that when you are supposed to play another clan, 10 other people who wants to compete, see who's the best, and so on, it is morally wrong to use not allowed means to win. Its like sportsmen who uses drugs to win the race, you arent competing on the same conditions as the opponent. On official matches and practise wars cheats should not be used, thats my opinion. Anyway, I'm not trying to convert you here or something, just saying what I feel.Yep you bet I will. Any server I want to cheat on I will. Matches are the best because you can control the game. Make it close or a good lead without being obvious. Whatever I decide the outcome is to be, and you will never know LOL. Unless the other squad is cheating as well, then it's you against them.
Actually a lot of public servers are harder to cheat because people just think you are, so admins watch you more.

Any cheating is immoral... not just on your precious clan matches. That is kind of a warped view in my opinion. I don't understand your view. 'Public' servers as you put it are doing exactly the same as your matches. People are trying to do their best. Why do you feel these servers should be for cheating. All you are really saying is that cheaters please stay off our match servers. But they won't and I think you know that.

So..Sorry no and I don't think most cheaters out there will, even if they say they won't or pretend they aren't cheaters. Not many cheaters admit it.
The whole point is this. People that cheat, will cheat, as long as they think they won't get caught and banned. As long as they don't get caught, then using their cheats gives them the advantage over the other team or players. To 99% of cheaters, that's the point... advantage... to win...to gain glory...to boost their ego, whatever.

The people posting here for the most part don't represent most cheating out there. Most cheaters never even post here. They just want a cheat or build their own using info found here. Their point is to win at any cost and look good to others.

Last BFSecure is no better than pb (maybe not as good)...
Some.. :) ... are always going to sneak thru. Gotta love clan matches when everyone thinks you are good. Clans mostly are to lazy to check if their own members are cheaters. Even the ones that don't want a cheater, they just don't care enough to look at their on people or turn a blind eye unless someone else or pb catches them. Sort of a denial thing I guess... or arogance. Pick one. Then there are clans that have private cheats. Easier to spot though when they all cheat.