Tutorial: Using Virtual PC & Synclogon

[RejectPenguin]

I made this tutorial to help out all you people having problems.

Virutal PC:

1.Download virtual pc from http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=4A15008C-3E10-4C54-BCD5-ADC1E780715F&displaylang=en

2. Start virtual pc and create a new virtual pc

3. Next start the virtual pc and install an os like you would a normal computer.

4. Next setup the internet on your virtual pc.

5.
A. Next make a new virtual pc and do it like you did the other one.

B. If you dont want to hastle with step 5.a then do this.. Create a new virtual machine. Now dont install an os or do any of that.. Go to "My Documents\My Virtual Machines\ Name Of Your 1st Virtual PC\" and copy the hard disk. Then paste it into your new virtual pc's folder so "My Documents\My Virtual Machines\ Name Of Your 2nd Virtual PC\" and rename it to "name of 2nd virtual pc" So now you should have 2 virtual pc's with the same hard disk.

6. Configure your other virtual machine so it has internet aswell.

7. Install mu and the patch on both virtual pc's.

SyncLogon:

8. Download synclogon from http://www.mpcforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=582

9. Install Sync Logon on both virtual pc's.

10. Setup a network between both virtual pc's.

11. If you are receiving errors when starting virtual pc.. like "blah.dll is missing" then download the missing file from www.dll-files.com and install it onto your computer.

12. Follow instructions stated on synclogon readme like you would a normal pc.

I hope this helps... post if I forgot anything or if your having problems still..

[Xtasies]

Have you try this method yet...? and any success? cause I can see since MU can't minimize how toggle back and forth between the account???

[RejectPenguin]

With 2 virtual pcs you will have 2 seprate windows with mu running on them.. so you can toggle back and forth between those 2 windows not your real pc and the virtual pc.

[Xtasies]

Well base on ur answer, the virtual PC use the same resources as the main comp, it's share 1 screen, it's overlay, unless you got dual monitor, I tried it's won't show 2 windows, plus just copy the Harddrive os into the virtual don't work...

So I use VNP/VNC and it's work.. though.. thanks for the tips.. anyway

[RejectPenguin]

right...

[scstyl3z]

Take my advise.

Dont do this if you dont have atleast 256 mb of ram.

In that pic, yor basically running 3 computers, Even running 1 cpu with mu sometimes lags.
If you have like 64, or 126 ram in ur cpu dont even try it. Your gonna freeeze up ur cpu.


Dont do it with a 1 ghz processor or lower. 1 ghz is on the border line. A 1 ghz processor is slow enough for 1 cpu, running 3 cpus is basically running a P2 333mhz cpu.

Most impprtant if you have dial up 56k, dont even think about it.
You cant dial up with a modem already connected on the net that is already connected.

Get dsl or cable

[RejectPenguin]

I have 1 ghz ram.. and it still a bit laggy.. so yeah what he says is true.

[n0taz]

hmm.. it's need a lot of hard disk space :((( i worry...

my english is bad :(

[Xtasies]

the memory is not a an issue here I have well over 2 gig of memories.. I am looking for the options to scale it down.... let me give it a try... thanks for the tip!

[scstyl3z]

about the hdd space. I recomend atleast 60gb hdd but dont install anything else in the virtual machines besides Mu to reduce lag.

if you want to run it FAST. Recomended raiding ur hdds

[scstyl3z]

well when you make a "VM" you can select how much ram you use for it. If ya got 2 gigs or ram. Thats alot so just slpit it evenly

[RejectPenguin]

Well base on ur answer, the virtual PC use the same resources as the main comp, it's share 1 screen, it's overlay, unless you got dual monitor, I tried it's won't show 2 windows, plus just copy the Harddrive os into the virtual don't work...

So I use VNP/VNC and it's work.. though.. thanks for the tips.. anyway


well with vnc you will need 3 computers to actually get it to work.. and this way you can use only 1... but thats a good idea too.

[scstyl3z]

and another thing.

On your main pc (non vm) turn off all "ram booster" programs. The ones who free up ram.

It frees all ram and usues it for ur main pc so your like gonna make ur VMs crash

Some of those programs does this..not all just turn them off

[RejectPenguin]

If someone would make a bypass for the minimizer then you could run your real comp and the virtual pc without using as much ramm..

[scstyl3z]

Not a long time VM user but haveing dual monitors would work right?

DUal processors for speed

3 gigs of ram

dual monitors (dual monitor setup is expensive. Use a video cards tv out for tv)

[Xtasies]

Imagine... it's work .. here is the overview of how Virtual PC are..

Overview
Virtual PC is a powerful software virtualization solution that allows you to run multiple PC-based operating systems simultaneously on one workstation, providing a safety net to maintain compatibility with legacy applications while you migrate to a new operating system. It also saves reconfiguration time, so your support, development, and training staff can work more efficiently.

[scstyl3z]

yea... i agree with the minimizer issue.

If your main cpu is an xp or 2k. Disable all processes even explorer to reduce ram usage

you can turn on explorer agian by ctrl+alt+del and clicking new task and run " c:/ "


Make all ur VM with WINDOWS ME or less, those os use ALOT less ram

[RejectPenguin]

well with all those duel things you might as well buy a new computer.. =/

[RejectPenguin]

Imagine... it's work .. here is the overview of how Virtual PC are..

Overview
Virtual PC is a powerful software virtualization solution that allows you to run multiple PC-based operating systems simultaneously on one workstation, providing a safety net to maintain compatibility with legacy applications while you migrate to a new operating system. It also saves reconfiguration time, so your support, development, and training staff can work more efficiently.

hehe did you copy and paste that?

[minas]

he probably did...

[scstyl3z]

Well im just saying if ya got alot of spare chips around you can put one together spending under $100.

[kamelp]

My computer is pentium4 ht 3.0ghz 512ram but its still so laggy

[RejectPenguin]

yeah.. if your laggy alot you might want to wait for minimizer bypass or if you have 2 other computers use vnc.

[scstyl3z]

well i dont need to do all of this.

Personal pc

amd 64 3400+

2 ghz ram

radeon 9600 256mb w/ tv out for dual monitor (tv)

dual 80gig hdd RAID

and cable


Im not saying go and spend over 2k building one of these, I dontnneed a dual pocessor cuz i got a 64. Pentium 4's arnt even close to 64 systems

I dont need ram because I already got 2gigs

Dual monitor is already been setup.

And with the Raid, all data writes 2 times as fast

[RejectPenguin]

i want a tripple screen monitor flat screens for all 3 but that will run me over 2k.. not really worth it..

[Gh0sT-MasteR]

Reboot and select proper Boot device.
what i need to here?

[scstyl3z]

Well you need a Windows os setup cd.

[RejectPenguin]

Reboot and select proper Boot device.
what i need to here?

Hit your key to get to the dos menu.. dunno what key it was.. i forgot.. then once your there go to the boot menu and you probably want to select boot from cd.

[Gh0sT-MasteR]

lol ^^
k..

[scstyl3z]

if you want to get a tripple flat screen setup. Those video cards cost TOO MUCH. Nice ones with goot video can go up to 5k and even more. Professional ones are even up to 15k $15000 for the card.

flat screens. avout 300 for a 15 in. 400 for a 17 or a weak 19

dont do it. use the tv out in ur video cards

[RejectPenguin]

hehe kinda hard.. i have a big screen tv on the other side of my room. =/

[Gh0sT-MasteR]

I think i wont touch this software..im little scared now.

[RejectPenguin]

no need to be scared.. it cant really ruin your computer.. but if your computer cant handle it.. then you will crash =/

[scstyl3z]

If you think your cpu lags now then dont do it at all.

[Gh0sT-MasteR]

well look.. i think no but im not sure.
%0-4 cpu in task manager..is this fine?

[scstyl3z]

yea its good but im just saying for those who have all of those unknown programs running in their cpu. just close everything besides explorer and dont close any system processes unless you know its ok..

[RejectPenguin]

dunno.. is there a way to make it so that the virtual pc's use most of the memory and ram rater then the actual pc?

[Lance McTrevor]

Uhmm, just one question.

Was anybody, ever successful in doing this method? Have you duped successfully already?

oops, that was 2 questions.

[Wadever]

If no1 ever successfully done with this method...u think they will duped successfully

[sov_marksman]

Im trying it now, ill let you guys know if it works... still installing windows.

[sapienz]

i'm bad with these stuff but when i started this virtual pc...
i got stuck with insert boot media... after reading the help file
i inserted my winxp install disc but that did not help...
Could someone do up a tutorial on how to setup the virtual PC from scratch to internet access? Is it very hard to do? very sorry ^^

[sov_marksman]

after you started the virtual pc, after you insert your cd, theres a thing at the top "action, edit, cd, floppy, help" click cd, and use phsyical drive of your cd, then reboot the virtual system, that should do it.

[e00]

haha! you guys a dying for dupes :( well im guess im lucky i got 4computers....and i can dupe :)*im not doing it now anymore tho cuz im scared to get banned man =0=! and hey where a u all dupers? i was yelling out loud ANY1 FROM MPC FORUM here in lorencia heh heh only find one non duper :P well meet me in lorencia now ! i donate to duper :D

[RejectPenguin]

Uhmm, just one question.

Was anybody, ever successful in doing this method? Have you duped successfully already?

oops, that was 2 questions.

yes

[philips]

ok so i succesfully installed both comps
i can run 2 Mu without problems
Comps are laned and connected to net
by 2 nettwork virtual card ( one lan one nat )
but heh no way
when i try to use synclogon nothing happen
it only execute "enter" on the main one
( the one which executed synclog )
the second one dont receive any packets

( yes wall is configured correctly shit id from other place )

[Kayren]

Well done, someone finally managed it,
for all those who pm'd me about this and got a frosty 'no im not telling you' after my orignial post on Vpc here you go. i stuck to my word and didn't tell any one how to use Vpc for duping, and i'm glad taht someone finally put some time in to work it out instead of just wanting it handed to you on a plate.
Well done penguin

[RejectPenguin]

=) thx

[WarTorment]

good work penguin, i managed to get vpc to work , but when i share the net connection (i have cable) , using network setup wizard, i can't get it to work....i've used it on normal networks and i had no problem....any thoughts?

[RejectPenguin]

dunno maybe different os?

[WarTorment]

nope, win XP on both....the network works fine, but the damn net .......ah..the headache....

[y3ll0w]

i have other question, i have intsaled os, managed to copy the hard drive, everything works, net, graphics somehow, but when i try to connect mu it says "Can not connect to FTP", any1 have any idea what to do with it?

[WarTorment]

i have a question for you y2ll0w, what kind of internet connection do you have(cable, dsl) and did u use Network Setup Wiz. to share the connection with vpc?

well, those were 2 questions, but who cares? :)

[CrazyCaucAzian]

how would a 1.2GHZ PC with 512 RAM and 80GB HD with 8MB Cache would do with trying this method out? assuming I take out all useless processes and such. AMD processor btw and if graphics power is need to run 2 games at the same time and windows, is a geforce fx 5700 with 128mb good?

[ShadyPwNzJa]

i am not using this program for the game you guys are using it for.
i have everything running just fine. execpy when i try to connect to the internet, i have to setup an connection and i can't get my virtual PC ob the internet. can anyone tell me how?

[sov_marksman]

the vpc emulates a crappy video card which makes it so laggy

[RejectPenguin]

i have 1 gig ram and i still lag so i dunno about even 512 ram

[Kayren]

I can't say it works perfectly on my 512 mb but there aren't major lag problems, and that's whilst i'm playing music, maybe it's because you set them both to the same virtual hard disk

[Silentsnake46]

well im going to try it on my AMD64 3400+ 1gig DDR400 ATI 9800pro 256mb system lets see how laggy it gets

[icemanfreedom]

so did any1 sucess on vpc & dupe on 1 pc?when i install all it would then say reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device...how do i fix that?

[Kayren]

Has no-one read any of my previous posts on this, i said long long ago that duping was possible on 1 pc using virtual pc as i'd managed it, penguin has also accomplished this.
lol read the manual, if you can't even work out how to install an os then you should'nt be using a computer.

[y3ll0w]

ok, problem solved, it wanted to update :P, i have ISDN connection but it still connecting on one of VPC quicker :/, what am i doing wrong?

[Darkthrone]

this is for dupe bug right?

[WarTorment]

ummm.........yes

[Darkthrone]

Lol sorry for dumb question but i had no time to read all messages

[Darkthrone]

Sorry to ask this but where can i install the os? i selected windows xp and i have 2 virtual pcs running but when i start it gets in msdos
Reboot en select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device.
does this mean i need to insert the win xp cd?




*Edit*
i inserted the win xp cd but it still says Reboot en select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device. what to do?

*Edit2
Ok it found the cd

*Edit 3 LOL
do i need to install the os on both vp's? thats gonna take awhile 0.o

[Darkthrone]

Lol im not gonna install anything before u tell me if its ok i dont want my windows to get ****ed up

[jigibut]

yeah i got the same msge too...wonder what it means...

[Kayren]

You can either install the os on one virtual hard disk then run both vpc's using it, which means you will save a lot of time, or you can install both seperately and have less lag when you run virtual pc. setting both vpc's to use one hard disk is in penguins tutorial at the start of this thread

[Kayren]

Lol im not gonna install anything before u tell me if its ok i dont want my windows to get ****ed up

nothing will get screwed, it'll just be a bit laggy whilst you are running it, and it wont screw up your computer either, virtual pc is an entirey seperate computer that runs simultaneously, it doesn't affect windows on your machine

[sov_marksman]

i downloaded VMware, its much faster, boots up about the same speed as my normal computer does, but mu online still low 10-15 fps, cant connect same time either, tried for 2 days now, time to give up.

[Wadever]

Dont think any1 got this to work actually..i quit trying after a few mins...

[Darkthrone]

kayren thanks ill first try both vp on 1 hd then both 1 hd

[philips]

You can either install the os on one virtual hard disk then run both vpc's using it, which means you will save a lot of time, or you can install both seperately and have less lag when you run virtual pc. setting both vpc's to use one hard disk is in penguins tutorial at the start of this thread


false
you must have 2 virtual hdd
one for each comp
install os on the first one
then copy the hddd and set the second vpc to use the copied one

[Darkthrone]

yes philips i did that. and the vps work for me but how can i press enter at both screens same time alt+tab doesnt work only method to get out of the vp is to press ctrl+alt+del.

[RejectPenguin]

if your comp is to slow to run 2 virtual pcs.. use the mu minizer and 1 vpc.. its alot faster :) and you use synclogon to hit enter at the same time.

[Darkthrone]

Coool thanks:D

[Darkthrone]

on my own pc the synclogon works but with the vp1 it says mswinsock bla bla not found someoen knows what to install to make this work?

[icemanfreedom]

yup i have the same problem too...

[Darkthrone]

plz help i really need it to work;'(

[badgertron]

ram is measuerd in bytes and bits and hertz

[d4rk_5t4r]

Currently i hv 2 com, both connected by LAN. Main com will insert its own IP address & the connected com will insert its own LAN address right? When i try to connect by pressing F9 on the main com, my connected com will get connect but nothing happens to my main com. (just as if nothing is pressed) Any ideas?

[RejectPenguin]

on my own pc the synclogon works but with the vp1 it says mswinsock bla bla not found someoen knows what to install to make this work?

first go download that file here: http://www.pppindia.com/software/conshar/mswinsck.zip
unzip it to your system32 folder and run this command.. regSvr32 C:\WINDOWS\System32\nameofosx.osx

hope this helps =)

[Darkthrone]

Lol sorry i already uploaded it from my main to internet:P

[SotosukE]

hm...it seems to work on PERFECT computers. Anything less then perfect will lag too bad for it to work..

[Killzin]

omg i cant get make an internet connection in my virtual pc
and i did read all the topic =/

[Killzin]

plz some1 make a step by step gide to configure the internet
i tried, tried, 6 hours trying and i still at the same point

[Killzin]

Omg Some1 Help Me
Plzz
Comon

[shemgwapo]

btw, ive already install the vpc but i just want to know if the duping using vpc still works?

[Killzin]

comon some1 help me

[jigibut]

isnt it like a normal pc? btw can u jus use 1 virtual pc and ur own comp?

[Killzin]

thats wut im doing
but im haviing problems to make a internet connection...
and every1 seems too busy to help =/

[RejectPenguin]

If your having trouble configuring your internet.. search for an intenet forum.. not in a gaming forum.

[Kayren]

{sigh} this is why i didn't tell anyone in the first place, getting mega pm'd yet penguin?
why don't you guys just try and work it out, stop wanting everything handed to you, and if you don't get you answer straight away then don't keep posting 'plz help' 'c'mon guys' e.t.c it's pointless,
have you used the internet connection wizard? i know it seems obvious but you'd be surprised how many people miss the obvious, give more details of your damn problem aswell, how is anyone meant to help when you hardly give any info, you jsut say it's not working but not the things you've tried or any of the error details or anything like that.

[MaxExtreme]

It isnt hard.

Dont use Virtual PC and Sync, use the program WMware Workstation. Download it from e-mule or e-donkey. In 2 clicks, you have a window with the installation setup of your new SO.

[nef]

ekhmmm so dupe stuff works on it or not
becouse if not why even bother -.-

[nef]

nad if it works than direct link plz for that WMware Workstation

[icemanfreedom]

i have go to the website to dl dll but dont know wat to dl coz so many dll file ...can any1 tell me wat to dl?

[icemanfreedom]

ok i have found out but wat delay m/s should i put?

[EasyE123]

omg i cant get make an internet connection in my virtual pc
and i did read all the topic =/

in your vitrual pc window, click edit > settings , then go to networking, and under adapter 1 set it to shared networking. hope this helped it worked for me :)

[icemanfreedom]

y always i start the vp it will say Reboot and select proper device or insert Boot media in selected Boot device...how can i fix that?

[RejectPenguin]

most of these problems are related to computer problems not virtual pc..

[woOf_aRz]

aww.. looks like the dupe bug is fixed lol... i never succeded after the update... any one managed to dupe after the update?

[icemanfreedom]

yup...some1 have sucess in dupe with sync logon & because it quite hard to log into the same acct together cause they have make the delay so little that the human being cannot be able to press enter together that fast...dupe bug still exist

[talkwittme]

is there a way to switch the mouse from each VM easy?

[RejectPenguin]

is there a way to switch the mouse from each VM easy?

install the virtual machines addons located on your actions tab

[EasyE123]

is there a way to switch the mouse from each VM easy?
Hold the alt on the right side of the space bar and move mouse

[n0nsense69]

can sumone put the site for "synclogon" where u can get it coz the site that was put on doesnt work anymore.....

[jigibut]

er....dude search the forums 1st its bound to be there...anyways dupe bug doesnt really work anymore.

[MaxExtreme]

Well, I and a friend are trying to the two logins enter and dupe something. We're trying differents ways. We'll try some hours. The answer, soon.

In IRC anybody talk about it.

[n0nsense69]

Well i noe that the first forum has the site to where u download but for sumreason it doesnt work

8. Download synclogon from http://www.mpcforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=582

thats wat i need but yet i cant download it from there......it leads me to this page about invaild shit.....and contact webmaster.........can sumone help me plZz

[bemap1]

yes. i can't download. Can u have link? so i can download.
Thanks

[berto381]

we have 2 computers here.. so all we have to do is to download synclog to dupe?!
how to work it..?! (im not a computer wiz or something so please be gentle on the computer terms...) thanks! :glasses:

[n0nsense69]

OMFG!!!! does any one have a link for the "synclogon" shit besides the invaild http://www.mpcforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=582

dam man this shit is harsh -_____-....

[vickylame]

the synclogon link isn't working for me

[RejectPenguin]

dupe bug is patched no need for synlogon so stop posting

[Syphon]

Closed, since this is no longer needed.