unfunf UNDETECTED bot osp demo.

[unfunf]

Here you wil find me using my bot against unnamedplayer (nmX|sipa) in a 1v1 osp with specs, you can view the demo urself, it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to tell im using anything. I used timenudge -45 at first, but then changed it to 0... and well, see the results.
8 files total, you must put them all together for the demo to work

I didnt wanna get caught so i layed off on the railign at first, thats why i started losing, but then i figured might as well go all the way... and ull see how much the bot can do near the end :) so dont pay to much attention to the first part of the demo. They were all whining and shit saying 'my lg and mg are to good' and the sad thing is, i wasnt even trying to use the bot very hard, the last few frags of the game is when idecided to up the notch a little bit and see what the bot can REALLY do =]

Btw if you dont know who nmx|sipa is, hes a top itdm/ictf and i1v1 competitor, plays for Nightmarextreme

Part 1

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part 2

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part 3

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part 4

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part 5

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part 6

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part 7

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part 8

Now remember, you must put these .rar files back together. in order to form one COMPLETE demo. so infuse parts 1-8

PLEASE tell me what you think :)
Go here to do so, http://www.mpc.turbohost.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5987

[Bored]

I'd hardly call it undetected given that your opponent AND all the spectators knew that were using a bot. Aside from that your movement skills and intutition/tactics were at the level of an inexperienced player so did not match the aim. You need to work on that by watching demos of top players from Clanbase or Challenge-TV.com

On the times you took over aim (mainly with RL and a few times with RG) I'd imagine that you're a RA3 player.

How to cheat and get away with it by *******
(feel free to add your own advice)

OSP (the mod you cheated in) has built in "aim stats" which are accessible from the console by typing "/stats" (or binding a button to "+wstats" - i.e. "bind home +wstats" (brings up a pop up screen with your weapon stats). The reason I mention this is because weapon statistics are the mechanism other players will use to tell if you are cheating. A spectator or player (during the match and at the end) can access your weapon stats at any time - if they're too high, it becomes clear that you are using a bot. What you need to do is miss on purpose to keep these stats low enough to be humanly possible.

As CS players learned it's best if you bind the autoaim features to mouse2 (i.e. "/bind mouse2 +aim" from the console) so that you retain overall aim control on your mouse.

i.e. holding down mouse2 the bot aims for you. Releasing mouse2, you aim.

If you use mouse2 for jump, I'd recommend binding space as jump instead ("/bind space +moveup"). To keep the bot smooth (early bots in QW would flip 180 degrees and kill someone in the blink of an eye) you should probably set the bot so that it only targets enemies 15-20 degrees either side of the crosshair - do this with the setting /ogc_fov 30 (or 40).

Now for the missing on purpose part. The best way of doing this and getting away with it is to take over and aim on the unimportant shots - or to alternate and fire half yourself and let the autoaim have the rest. The best approach with the railgun is to fire the first shot yourself and let the bot fire the second. Use your own judgement on the 3rd shot. An example would be if you see that your opponent isn't looking at you or is quite some distance from you. Missing that first shot will not matter that much.

With the lightning gun, the best approach is to start firing early with your crosshair maybe 10 degrees from the player. Bring the beam towards the player yourself and when it makes contact, let the bot take over for a short time. Be very careful about this because the bot's lightning aim is what gives it away - the bot can react to changes in direction faster than a human. The bot's rail aim is quite realistic so use that more.

If they change direction, take over aim and bring the beam back to them yourself - and then let the bot take over for a short time. Every moment when the beam is not in contact with the enemy is registered as a "miss". This is good.

For the machinegun, use a tapping action on mouse2 (autoaim) to quickly alternate aim between yourself and the bot. For shotgun, let the bot aim for you, but release control before you fire and do the last micro-aim adjustments yourself.

In my experience, the bot does not work well with rockets, plasma nor grenades though some may have better luck with other settings.

Use stats and the button you have bound to +wstats (in OSP) to monitor your accuracy.

For railgun:
average player: 25-30%
good player: 35-42%
top player: 40-50%
best player: 45-55% (online)
bots in demos: 80% !!

If you have a very good connection and a low ping (around 30), add 5%. Ideally, if you do not want to be detected by other players, aim for 40-45% but you have to "look the part" too (i.e. no bumping into walls, falling into lava, looking lost).

For lightning gun:
average player: under 20%
good player: 20-30%
top player: 30-35%
best player: 35-40%
bot in demos: 60-70

That's for online and LAN too. You may ask why lightning accuracy is lower than railgun accuracy - it's because humans do not react quickly enough to people changing their direction/speed. The lightning gun is what makes the bot user instantly obvious because it reacts instantly.

For Machine gun: (recommend you use this instead of plasma when you have no lightning since it is instant hit)
average player: under 20%
good player: 20-30%
top player: 30-35%
best player: 35-40%
bot in demos: 60-70

Shotgun:
No-one looks at shotgun statistics. Just keep them below 30% and no-one will care (and that's pretty easy as it's pretty random anyway).

There are other dos and don'ts,

Although you can see a player through the walls, do not follow them with your crosshair - that's a clear indication that you're cheating.

Don't stop suddenly when you see the other player through a wall - you're going to have to let yourself be caught out a few times - just be ready to react and let the bot take over for the final adjustments.

Don't be on IRC when you cheat (or use another player's name on it :P) because Q3 servers keep records of your IP address and if you are reported they'll be able to keep you banned for a long time by monitoring your IRC nick. Don't even bother cheating if you have a static IP address - sorry - or cheat on "isolated" servers far away from you rather than chains.

Don't be a llama on the server or abuse people. If you piss them off they're more likely to get an admin. Come up with some lame excuses (best I heard was "I broke my wrist and still wanna play CS" - sympathy) like "I'm just testing it for <name of people hosting server>" or "I got half my kills killing that guy who was lagged before :(" but if you're 'made', act shocked and leave the server (say bye tho) :P:devious:

[unfunf]

I do not care what people say, what counts is whats in demos, check my demo, TIMESCALE it to as low as .1, see how i am, see if it seems anything like a bot. Thats what admins of certain ladders look for, it does not matter what the individual player says. You can call someone a bot, but you cant prove it without convincing someone with some experience in that matter.

And ive played osp tdm for a long time, and before that normal tdm. 3 years in fact, that demo was a DEMONSTRATION. I was not playing to my full potential as to try to move well or dodge or do anything of that sort, i merely wanted to show u what the bot could do aimwise, without being detected by OFFICIAL means.

unf unf

[Tr33neur]

I have to admit i didnt think u used bot , but instead u did use it and its also in osp its very good so can you plz tell me where i can get it

[unfunf]

Get it from ogc-cheats (http://just4teens.de/ogc/)

Or the ftp that mpc provides

unfunf
simply, beast.

[Tr33neur]

but how do i install it

[unfunf]

Just clcik on the ogc icon, point it to ur quake3.exe run q3 using the OGC launcher, and connect to a server, bind +aim to a key, and ur set.

[Tr33neur]

so i just unzip it and run ogc but??? , what i get is im in the game and thru walls under a players name its a black box (probaly there names) but then after 5 á 6 seconds it will crash into my windows :confused:

[KiLlMaD]

Bored


nice ... information

unfunf he is correct .. u need 2 work on the movement so on :-)


Bored 2 me u sound like a admin .. a uk admin :D

[Tr33neur]

lol , look i just want that "darn" thing to work i unzip it and runned the ogc.exe but if i start the game and go server (osp v1.01) the appears a black box under a player and then after 5 á 6 seconds the game will crash, how come , explain how to install...:mad:

[KiLlMaD]

got 2 go against u on the stats tho

i seen people rail @ 70 .. with no cheats @ all

lg does give u away ..

i have done 70% with that weapon .. people start saying stuff

so u press normal shoot key .. 2 take the stats down abit .. like when the round just starts so on :-)

[KiLlMaD]

Tr33neur

its not made 4 osp .. just luck if it works or not :D

[Sniper20-20]

I know also posted in another forum about this
but a good way to cover your tracks is to do the following

/ogc_fov 8
/bind mouse3 "+aim;wait;wait;+attack"

This is cool because with hit scan weapons peeps cant tell

Why: For one the fov limits the bot to a smaller range in which it looks thus your crosshair doesnt just flip straight behind you or something along those lines...

Now by binding mouse 3 to the following and using it with the hit scan based weaps the results are great..
I usually have a 47-63% with my rails.. (WITHOUT THE CHEAT)
now with this I know the movements. If you watch some of the best you will notice a little jerk like motion when they rail... by using that bind it will aim for you and a small pause and then fire...

Thus creating the "I AM A PRO :) movement "

Try it and tell me what you think

[KiLlMaD]

i use fov 5 .. and fov 3 .. 4 rail gun :D

i use
/bind mouse3

[Tr33neur]

/ogc_fov 8
/bind mouse3 "+aim;wait;wait;+attack"
so ive i do this it wont crash ?

[Bored]

Originally posted by unfunf
I do not care what people say, what counts is whats in demos, check my demo

unf unf

Course it looks like a bot. At 0.1 it looks more like a bot - the way it holds to a player is not human. The way it snaps to a player's movements without the lag of human reactions gives it away, as does the fact that it aims for the dead centre of the body - people aim for the sides.

And if you've been playing OSP for 3 years, you've done a damned good job of disguising your potential. On the strength of that demo, you move like a Q2 player playing Q3 for the first time. From your intutition and tactics, I'd doubt you've ever played a duel on DM6 before - very effective disguising but a top player with an aim truly like that would play a "timers game". See some of the demos @ http://www.challenge-tv.com/demos/?game=1&type=3&map=Q3DM6 - see how the players play with routes and glide as they move.

As for detecting by normal means, either of the specs who knew you were a bot user could have fetched an admin but cheats are so new to Quake 3 that they didn't know what to do. Don't rely on the stupidity of spectators - had that been a CS server, your WON ID would have been 0wned.

If you read what I have typed you'll read WHY they knew you were using a bot despite them having seen it for the first time. As far as they knew, there exists no bot for Q3 but they were able to realise you were.

[Tr33neur]

people just explain how i get that to work my english is very bad so plz explain in short

[Tr33neur]

unfunf help me plz

[KiLlMaD]

Originally posted by Tr33neur
unfunf help me plz

he is the only person that can help u .. :-)

[Tr33neur]

yes now i only need a reply :):D

[KiLlMaD]

Originally posted by Bored


Course it looks like a bot. At 0.1 it looks more like a bot - the way it holds to a player is not human. The way it snaps to a player's movements without the lag of human reactions gives it away, as does the fact that it aims for the dead centre of the body - people aim for the sides.

And if you've been playing OSP for 3 years, you've done a damned good job of disguising your potential. On the strength of that demo, you move like a Q2 player playing Q3 for the first time. From your intutition and tactics, I'd doubt you've ever played a duel on DM6 before - very effective disguising but a top player with an aim truly like that would play a "timers game". See some of the demos @ http://www.challenge-tv.com/demos/?game=1&type=3&map=Q3DM6 - see how the players play with routes and glide as they move.

As for detecting by normal means, either of the specs who knew you were a bot user could have fetched an admin but cheats are so new to Quake 3 that they didn't know what to do. Don't rely on the stupidity of spectators - had that been a CS server, your WON ID would have been 0wned.

If you read what I have typed you'll read WHY they knew you were using a bot despite them having seen it for the first time. As far as they knew, there exists no bot for Q3 but they were able to realise you were.



most people have never seen a q3 bot .. so they like 2 know how good it is .. and if they can try and beat it :-)

your correct no1 knows how 2 handle a cheater in q3 ..

[Tr33neur]

that's a site with q3 demos of cheaters ?

[Bored]

1. Run OGC.exe
2. find a OSP Q3 server in Gamespy/All Seeing Eye running Clan Arena gametype, e.g. 195.130.132.155:27961
3. type connect 195.130.132.155:27961 at console
4. type /ogc_aim 1 at console

When you've got that working, read the manual and try something more advanced. You'll need to download the OSP mod from http://www.orangesmoothie.org to play on the server.

Good call sniper BTW.

Killmad: Think the novelty will wear off quite soon for the Q3 bot quite soon, and you will need to hide it like CS users would.

As more people know about it, they will be callvoting to kick you if they think you are cheating. In RA3, you can avoid being kicked by changing your name using the command "/name <new name>" or by leaving the arena you're currently in, returning and voting "no" (press F2 or /vote no at console) and repeating this process. You can kick other players this way too (or change the map). Don't know what equivalent in OSP is.

Have played twice on BW Clan Arena 1 without any of the specs calling it (and that's with 5 or 6 players watching me) although I think the cheat is less fun than playing Q3 when you're having a good day.

[unfunf]

as i said it was a demonstrational demo, i was not trying to play a game as i would if i was in a match or playing normally, btw unnamedplayer i found out was nmX|sipa