Posting "bad" cheaters names?

[gil]

Since i see its going large, i just wanna see what you think about it.

Should it be allowed to post names of cheaters who doesnt act properly?
And i'm talking about cheaters who complain about other cheaters, starting votekicks, and whining if they get killed.

On one hand, they are cheaters. If we post their names here, they might get flagged by PB.
But on the other hand, they dont deserve the honor from us or any kind of respect after complaing about cheatings while cheating themselves.

Thats including clan names.


I personally think we shouldnt post cheaters' names here no matter what they do. We are not supporting PB and shouldnt help them in either way, and posting names definitely helps PB.


What do you think?


The result of this poll has nothing to do with MPC official opinion about this subject, as of now, its not allowed to post names. I just want to see what you think about it

[funkymonkey]

i think is cool

[Mr_Rain]

I think we should post their names if we don't like them and they are disrespectful, ban away PB! But also if you really hate PB you may not want to help them at all, hehe, two sides.

I'm with you gil.

[gil]

I think we should post their names if we don't like them and they are disrespectful, ban away PB! But also if you really hate PB you may not want to help them at all, hehe, two sides.

I'm with you gil.


I'm sorry, i wrote "should" instead of "shouldnt" that makes a lil difference :D
I think we SHOULDNT post their names. sorry about the little misunderstanding.

[kool-aid]

Heh, if they really are cheaters, they'll find their way to using some PB HD ban hack or something. Post 'em all!

[Tought]

meh just name em and get rid of those crappy f0cks

[importdrinker]

i voted no....

although i think it's unlikely that PunkBuster would ban accounts just because someone posts their name at MPC, the players could be targeted ingame by ACs or at AAOTracker, or banned by leased server admins/AASA etc.... also i think it opens the floodgates to various manipulations by ppl such as: accusing ACs of cheating to discredit them, trying to put heat on other cheaters who owned you, trying to create a false reputation for someone etc...
although i don't think ppl should have expectations that their cheat accounts will never be banned and their account names will never be tarnished, i don't think MPC should aid ppl in their efforts to "out" cheaters, even if they are bastards...

problem example: an AC thinks another supposed AC is actually a cheater, so he comes to MPC and post his name and makes accusations.. then he waits to see if anyone here confirms his claims... NOT GOOD!...

allowing ppl to post names imo is essentially saying that MPC does not approve of ppl who cheat and attempt to hide it... although im not advocating the bs that some cheaters pull, i do acknowledge that it can get messy for secret-cheaters and sometimes toes will get stepped on in their effort to remain hidden...

as in all things i feel it's best to err on the side of discretion....

[Ping_pong]

Hmm, I started a cheat clan and its sometimes fun to play on a server with the whole clan and start being hated.
But if u ppl really would go on with this "Name posting" it could be lame, cuz there are a lot of NOOBS that post every name that killed them. :D U peeps gave me an idea! I post every GUYs name I hate and hope they will be banned ^^

Conclusion: :| Strange thread

[3y3w4nn4ch34t]

I vote no. It wouldnt do any good or change the way they play. They will just change their game name or make a new forum account if people start b!tching.

[mastershriz]

There has to be some credable backup sources behind it too. I've come across people who do such things. But then again... i know i trust a lot of the cheaters i play with, and their judgement as well. We know when people are cheating, and when they aren't. But the normal noob (as stated above) is gonna just report everyone they have a problem with. There's gotta be some rules, post count, or a trusted list of hackers who can post them on here, i don't know... either way someone's gonna be mad :)

PS. i voted no because the bad outweigh the good.

[mantacore]

I said i dont care because since uber posted that tut about votekick whoring, ill own them and kick the whiners, lol

[Someone forever]

i voted no....

although i think it's unlikely that PunkBuster would ban accounts just because someone posts their name at MPC, the players could be targeted ingame by ACs or at AAOTracker, or banned by leased server admins/AASA etc.... also i think it opens the floodgates to various manipulations by ppl such as: accusing ACs of cheating to discredit them, trying to put heat on other cheaters who owned you, trying to create a false reputation for someone etc...
although i don't think ppl should have expectations that their cheat accounts will never be banned and their account names will never be tarnished, i don't think MPC should aid ppl in their efforts to "out" cheaters, even if they are bastards...

problem example: an AC thinks another supposed AC is actually a cheater, so he comes to MPC and post his name and makes accusations.. then he waits to see if anyone here confirms his claims... NOT GOOD!...

allowing ppl to post names imo is essentially saying that MPC does not approve of ppl who cheat and attempt to hide it... although im not advocating the bs that some cheaters pull, i do acknowledge that it can get messy for secret-cheaters and sometimes toes will get stepped on in their effort to remain hidden...

as in all things i feel it's best to err on the side of discretion....



importdrinker is right .....


My suggestion

But if we can prove with some screenshots of the cheater that denounces another cheater and initialize a votekick ,In this case my vote is YES, his name could be revealed after an analysis by a moderator of MPC.

[FuX0R]

Since i see its going large, i just wanna see what you think about it.

Should it be allowed to post names of cheaters who doesnt act properly?
And i'm talking about cheaters who complain about other cheaters, starting votekicks, and whining if they get killed.

On one hand, they are cheaters. If we post their names here, they might get flagged by PB.
But on the other hand, they dont deserve the honor from us or any kind of respect after complaing about cheatings while cheating themselves.

Thats including clan names.


I personally think we shouldnt post cheaters' names here no matter what they do. We are not supporting PB and shouldnt help them in either way, and posting names definitely helps PB.


What do you think?


The result of this poll has nothing to do with MPC official opinion about this subject, as of now, its not allowed to post names. I just want to see what you think about it

maybe on irc or something but here wouldnt be appropriate. the best thing to do in the case of a retarded cheater is to fk them till they leave, then follow them around from server to server repeating process. it works.

[deegan]

yeah fux is correct they tend to get mighty upset when that happens

[GUESS WHO!!!]

i say NO to that ,as much as they realy piss me off it would show a lack of respect. the same respect that we ask of them .it would make us no better than them.

[Bob Dull]

I picked I dont care becuz I dont wana be wrong :) LoL

[drmunch]

Well Im not sure exactly what would happen if we were to start posting names... however, I feel there would be a HUGE cheater he say she say Epidemic. I mean Just think, someone could just be mad someone was cheating better than them, so they come here and ruin their name by the hacking community as well. I mean Im sure I have countless people trying to track me, and that is why I dont let tracker track me all the time, just sometimes.

Also just think, if there was some guy who got mad at us, or whoever got him mad at us, well he could probably be a useful informant for PB. (Could be happening now). I mean PB is basically like the Police Of Online Games, instead of getting your freedom taken away, they take away your right to play (Or try). Which if you think about it, it's one of your freedoms PB is taken away from you.

So in general, I think this site is amazing as it is, let's not do this, so we dont open another can of worms, which we may regret.

LONG LIVE MPC

[thanzig]

I say no as well. That would be a setup for future nonsense, such as he said, she said, 3rd grade spats. And more than likely start a whole lot of unneccessary posts.

[iSpy]

obviously the people that are voting yes aren't really telling us why, if you think yes then post your case.

I voted NO because it just means we are lowering ourselves toward their level, I know it is really annoying, but we can always do what Fux said or vote kick them, or just say who cares it is only a game and if i get kicked i can just join a different server, there are plenty of them.

again if you vote yes give your reasons, and please don't just say cause they suck.
thanks

iSpy

[mlitn]

yes > cheaters get their hacks herefrom, so they shouldn't be complaining bout getting killed by other cheaters (some have their own hacks yes, but most of them are based on evilhack, so same thing)
no > how are you gonna know for sure some1's a hack too or he just has no life and plays aa all goddamn day and onws it without cheats...

voted yes

[oscardrew]

I voted no,
However in theory i think iot is a good idea, but like other ppl said it leads on to many other complications.

[zgamer]

i voted no....

although i think it's unlikely that PunkBuster would ban accounts just because someone posts their name at MPC, the players could be targeted ingame by ACs or at AAOTracker, or banned by leased server admins/AASA etc.... also i think it opens the floodgates to various manipulations by ppl such as: accusing ACs of cheating to discredit them, trying to put heat on other cheaters who owned you, trying to create a false reputation for someone etc...
although i don't think ppl should have expectations that their cheat accounts will never be banned and their account names will never be tarnished, i don't think MPC should aid ppl in their efforts to "out" cheaters, even if they are bastards...

problem example: an AC thinks another supposed AC is actually a cheater, so he comes to MPC and post his name and makes accusations.. then he waits to see if anyone here confirms his claims... NOT GOOD!...

allowing ppl to post names imo is essentially saying that MPC does not approve of ppl who cheat and attempt to hide it... although im not advocating the bs that some cheaters pull, i do acknowledge that it can get messy for secret-cheaters and sometimes toes will get stepped on in their effort to remain hidden...

as in all things i feel it's best to err on the side of discretion....

hmm they can make a new name and tracker..
I am for the idea of saying who does then people are warned not to play with those people

[JohnBLucky]

Ok, lets see.... I know an in game name for Gil, Fux0r, and zgamer.... and that's just the people who've posted in this thread. I also know a lot of other cheaters in game names. Now lets say that I get pissed at one or a group of them some day.

Poof, instantly I have a whole thread listing all their in game names. I'm not posting to get them banned or get their names spread around (especially clan names). I just want to "Inform" the other cheaters that they're hypocrits.... I swear.

I vote no. It's stupid, breeds drama, encourages slander, and we don't need that ****.

[Headhunter]

What will basicly happen to you if anyone knows that you cheat....you think they leave the server....nope i think they will try to kill you but not be able to = MORE KILLZ for YOU!

[gil]

Thanks for the responses... tbh, it was what i expected.
What do i mean? lets see...

The final important result was 28/18 for posting names.
but all the replies that were made, were by "no" voters, so lets see what can be the reason for that:

1. No one said it, which kind of surprised me, but you all know we have ACs and spies here right? i'm sure they voted yes for posting names, but they wont word their choices, they would just silently vote (btw, i could set it as a view to all poll, but i thought it wouldnt be right). So as you can see, it will only serve their purpose.

2. New members, that dont care about anything and dont know the situation probably think its cool to talk about specific players and clans here, and complain about the cheaters who votekicked them.

3. I did notice, as i expected, that the veteran and experienced members voted no (well, most of them, mlitn ;)). I guess it only cuz they were here for longer time, know how the system works, and have respect for others even if they dont get the same amount of respect back.


I agreed with many of the things you said here.
I think if you post someone's name, he will just go underground, have to change all his details... that will do no good to anyone.
And as been said many times here, we dont know what is true and what is not.
People can just come here to close personal issues with their enemies and it wont do good to anyone (again).

And beside, what will help you posting someone's name? It will be a flame thread probably, and it will only hurt the community and the posters themselves.

I think we can live without posting names, as we did till now. So i dont want to see what i've seen in the last few days.


So let me just make it straight and clear.
On MPC AAO Forum its NOT allowed to post ingame names of anyone (excluding famous players or clans (AC of course)). Thats including player names AND clan names.

If you do want to talk about it, IRC (http://www.mpcforum.com/showthread.php?t=58880) will be the best place for it.



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[OneManArmy1st]

Post the names of cheaters who start calling others cheater and start crying like babies, fook hang them out, they deserve no respect från anyone.

I was on a server last night, a cheater who I knew he cheats for long time started calling me cheater after I killed him 3 times each round.....he use wall hack and aimbot of some kind , the fooker even started vote kicks on me, that really pissed me off, so I kept killing him each game..... these ppl dont deserve the cheats or respect from anyone....let PB ban them and let them know we dont accept the sh1t they do, first cheating and hacking and then calling others cheat and start vk on them i said WTF X 100 times.........I tested and showed to him and others that he had cheat LOL

Just my oppinion humbled. :mad: :alien:

[ic_champ]

also voted no, coz like all the people say, when you hate someone you can just put his name her and he gets banned maybe.. so that wouldnt be a good idea....

people that do kick other cheaters should think in themselves what they are doing...
why would u kick someone who maybe made your hack that u are using...

[mlitn]

3. I did notice, as i expected, that the veteran and experienced members voted no (well, most of them, mlitn ;))
i'm still n00b... :)
guess all 'experienced guys' don't like getting owned by noobies who are using their hack, so they can votekick them :p j/k

[HappyC]

A bit of topic but i need to say this.... Deegan That avatar makes me sick

[MUther69]

Ok, lets see.... I know an in game name for Gil, Fux0r, and zgamer.... and that's just the people who've posted in this thread. I also know a lot of other cheaters in game names. Now lets say that I get pissed at one or a group of them some day.

Poof, instantly I have a whole thread listing all their in game names. I'm not posting to get them banned or get their names spread around (especially clan names). I just want to "Inform" the other cheaters that they're hypocrits.... I swear.

I vote no. It's stupid, breeds drama, encourages slander, and we don't need that ****.


Yeah but nothing stops you from doing that anyway. Between the time you do it and a mod sees it, who knows how many AC's etc. may have got the names. I wouldn't post any names and would hope no one else would, but just because it isn't sanctioned doesn't mean it can't happen.

I have to agree with the line of thought that says to just own the hell out of the whiny *******. The worst thing is that they sway other voters to kick the cheater. It's so bad now you can't even tell who is good and who is cheating anyway. As soon as someone gets 2-3 kills in a single round the talk starts.

I swear everyone cheats. I sometimes turn the hack off just to see if a shot would be realistic at a distance with fog etc. Then someone shoots at me from further than normal viewing would allow. Then I aimbot their dead ass and they call me a cheater. It becomes my life's work to kill that mf as close to the beginning of the round as I can until I'm voted out or they leave. Anyway, punish the phuckers, don't play their game and expose them.

[Busen]

i also voted NO, and this is why....
Like most of you i just hate when someone cheat obvious. One of the reasons pb hunt us down is because there is too many cheaters playing. I can imagine that if we all just wasnt that obvious,it would be a bit harder to tell how many cheaters there is ingame, and they probably wouldnt be that pissed at it. A list of "bad" cheaters can be a stop to this obvious cheaters. Anyway im sure that some would turn people in just because they think they cheat, even if they aint sure,they might just be mad at a guy. This might result in many banned "good" cheaters as well, and that aint the point with it. I hope that people try understand that cheating wise might keep our hacks alone longer than now.
Besides, i dont wanna have pb getting a list from a cheatforum!! and who´s gonna say that its a "bad" cheater on that list? who is the judge?

[Loucifer]

We are not PB an certainly not anything like PB, Hence for us to try an police what they do or anything similar to what they do is obsurd.

If a guy wants to act like an ***** an run amok then thats him, As for as the rest of us we play the way we play. If you see someone doing crazy stuff, hell pass the verbal word around it will get back to him an maybe get him to lighten up. People should allways use some couth while running thier wares.

[raceace]

Voted no! whats the point of posting their names?

1) They will only change thier name
2) They might be lousy cheaters, but we are all cheaters at the end of the day
3) I dont want to give AC's any ammunition to throw at us

But what i will say to the noob's who download cheats and dont like getting owned by others is live with it or F**K OFF to an other server

[JohnBLucky]

i also voted NO, and this is why....
Like most of you i just hate when someone cheat obvious. One of the reasons pb hunt us down is because there is too many cheaters playing. I can imagine that if we all just wasnt that obvious,it would be a bit harder to tell how many cheaters there is ingame, and they probably wouldnt be that pissed at it. A list of "bad" cheaters can be a stop to this obvious cheaters.

I cheat obviously as well. Why would we care if people do that? lol. Hell, there's a bunch of clans even for people who cheat obviously.

[_Kallasways_]

Yea we all know where this one is going, I can imagine the people who have been at this forum the longest taking the Title of Bad Cheater Catcher.. So then whatever they said would have to be gospel. Not a good idea voted no who is anyone to judge anyone else we have good and bad anticheats and good and bad cheaters just deal or leave the server and find another one..

[gil]

We have 45 yes voters ATM,
why I cant find a single YES voter's reply?

[DeathFr0mBehinD]

i Vote YES!

Most..of the time.. when you are cheating you can find out others that cheat, by how they react to your position. Or by getting on the cheaters team and watching them stare at walls in 3rd person view. Most of the time, its just straight out obvious they hack.. cheating on any mulitplayer game is a good way to spot other cheaters.

When you come across a cheater that gets pissed off at you when you own them, and they cry "hacker!" then they try to expose your cheat status to the whole server, and even convince the anti-cheaters to votekick. That itself is like a Cheater\Anit-Cheater.

I think any cheater that trys to get me busted for cheating, and makes me have to change my name because everyone knows me as "cheater". Or any cheater that gets me kicked from public servers for cheating.... should be skinned, and dipped into battery acid mixed with gasoline, then lit on fire.

Gathering names or clan names on this forum will not benifit much, but can help some cheaters know who are the hypocrites. And to circulate names of hypocrites that need to be owned, and or exposed. Although.... the list will probably be inacurate if it was called "bad cheaters" and can lead to lots of drama.

There is an alternative. Ive been thinking of maybe a thread titled "possible cheating anit cheaters" and post screen shots of the person acuseing and or starting a votekick, and explaining what hack you think they were useing, and what server. If the person that was acused of being a CAC (cheating anti-cheater), turns out not to be a cheater, and an AC some how gets that name banned... oh well, one less narc there is on my favorite low ping server. And if it was a true CAC, who cares if AC bans there account, because they are a anit-cheater. If its a fake post.. then the person who is a CAC will have to beg his way off the thread.

I dont know.. it just an idea. And i think it has a 95% chance of failure. but i wish it could work, dosent hurt to try.

[SupraGod]

Nah defiantely dont post any names on any forum. yea so what if they get caught hackin. there is no good that comes out of postin a fellow cheats name on here. i just tell them on the server ... STFU AND PLAY

[DeathFr0mBehinD]

Nah defiantely dont post any names on any forum. yea so what if they get caught hackin. there is no good that comes out of postin a fellow cheats name on here. i just tell them on the server ... STFU AND PLAY


supra what if there was a whole clan that cheated, and they booted you off a public server for cheating, and when you tell them to STFU and PLAY, they just have another reason to boot you? thats like being ratted out by a fellow cheater.

[SupraGod]

supra what if there was a whole clan that cheated, and they booted you off a public server for cheating, and when you tell them to STFU and PLAY, they just have another reason to boot you? thats like being ratted out by a fellow cheater.

im sayin if they accuse sumone else i step in and say just STFU and PLAY .. . and how will the clan kick me from a public server .. . if they start a VK ill just leave neways n come back n pwn them on another name .. . OO YEA N BTW i like ur creed

[bigg-boy]

I would think not cause it could turn into ppl. falsly calling out names just cause that person always owns them , I own most and piss of a lot of fellow cheaters cause my skills plus the hacks plus good computer makes me so damn hard to beat!!!!!

[megawhey]

i vote no aswell

it doesnt do any good. besides...they can change their name every couple days or so

[mlitn]

We have 45 yes voters ATM,
why I cant find a single YES voter's reply?
cuz a lot of them are ac's

[JohnBLucky]

To tell you the truth, you can all keep voting, but I really don't care. I'll just continue editing names out of people's posts as I see em.

[importdrinker]

i find the results of this poll very interesting... O_o

all i can say is i'm glad this isn't a democracy... long live the Kings...

[Someone forever]

i Vote YES!


I think any cheater that trys to get me busted for cheating, and makes me have to change my name because everyone knows me as "cheater". Or any cheater that gets me kicked from public servers for cheating.... should be skinned, and dipped into battery acid mixed with gasoline, then lit on fire.

Gathering names or clan names on this forum will not benifit much, but can help some cheaters know who are the hypocrites. And to circulate names of hypocrites that need to be owned, and or exposed. Although.... the list will probably be inacurate if it was called "bad cheaters" and can lead to lots of drama.



Good; and now these fuc hypocrites also probably will change their name.

And more, anti-cheaters you need cheaters to survive and get your small points of honor;if you are not able to eradicate cheaters know to use them and stop these stupid votekick. :bandit:

why AA is pleasing to play today?

Because there are a lot more cheaters in game and it is more difficult; for to succeed in defeating, strategic approach is necessary, not just firing.


hypocrites,remember

"if you trust in something make your prayers your hour is near, because one day our way will cross themselves" :hrissan:

I was already good without now cheating I am better :kngt: